[Football] Why we have our bottle tops confiscated

[birthofanorange]

Obviously he’s an idiot, but I can’t see how confiscating bottle tops stops someone throwing it?

If a player comes anywhere near the crowd (so every goal ever scored) you can still do some damage with a full bottle.

Quite.

As for players not taunting the opposing fans, it still wouldn't result in a lifting on the ban of bottle tops.

Nah, just ban the cretins that throw stuff and let the players celebrate however they like - it's all part and parcel of the game, as has been said before.

 

[banjo]

 

[nickbrighton]

Obviously he’s an idiot, but I can’t see how confiscating bottle tops stops someone throwing it?

If a player comes anywhere near the crowd (so every goal ever scored) you can still do some damage with a full bottle.

it doesn't stop it being thrown, but with no cap it will very quickly empty and be less of a potential threat. Distance will be reduced substantially and when/if it hits its target it will do less potential harm

There is also the likelihood of someone in the crowd taking offence as the bottle covers anyone in its path with its contents-and the reaction to that is likely to be a discouragement from doing it again!

Bottles full with caps have been seen to have been thrown several times on tv matches recently, each one validating Brighton's ban more and more. Its gone from a very rare event to a very frequent one at plenty of games this season

 

[dejavuatbtn]

I don’t see us scoring at the opposition supporters end and then all run the full length of the pitch in order to start celebrating in front of us. It would be a bit like a VAR call when you have to suppress your excitement until the goal is confirmed. The wiping out of spontaneity!
Nah, celebrate the occasion and of the opposition can’t deal with it then they need to grow a pair.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Meanwhile you can’t even cycle to the ground with a change of clothes and a water bottle because the bottle is banned and the bag would be too big. Just because 1 idiot can’t handle a goal celebration. What next, someone throws a shoe and you’re only allowed soft soles trainers, maybe the lasses are good for luzzing so velcro straps only. Meanwhile players can still dive, play act, cheat and celebrate how they like. Bless them. I think of them cycling in the rain to the ground with a bag too small I can’t get my wet weathers in. More rules, yay.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

But that was in front of our fans, villa were no where near theirs

Right in front of their fans in the supermarket end. It was excellent (particularly because I know a couple of Palace season ticket holders who sit in that bit )

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Cash at worst gets a glance of a half empty plazzy bottle and goes down like he's been shot. I'm not condoning etc etc but whose he trying to get sent off by play acting in that situation? Pantomime season was last month.

 

[birthofanorange]

Meanwhile you can’t even cycle to the ground with a change of clothes and a water bottle because the bottle is banned and the bag would be too big. Just because 1 idiot can’t handle a goal celebration. What next, someone throws a shoe and you’re only allowed soft soles trainers, maybe the lasses are good for luzzing so velcro straps only. Meanwhile players can still dive, play act, cheat and celebrate how they like. Bless them. I think of them cycling in the rain to the ground with a bag too small I can’t get my wet weathers in. More rules, yay.

If you think said rules would be relaxed if players didn't celebrate in the way Nature intended, then you're deluded.

You're still coming across as someone who's trying to apportion blame on the victim, rather than the perpetrator.

Just my opinion, obviously.

 

[Bold Seagull]

If you think said rules would be relaxed if players didn't celebrate in the way Nature intended, then you're deluded.

You're still coming across as someone who's trying to apportion blame on the victim, rather than the perpetrator.

Just my opinion, obviously.

Players never used to do this, not to the extent now up to and over hoardings, it’s a relative modern thing to do all this goading of away fans. I’ve watched all levels of football from non-league up for 35 years or so and don’t remember as many players as these days preferring the attention of the opposition fans than their own. It seems to be part of a ****-wittery of the modern player, along with the constant play acting and cheating.

If you think banning 1 individual or confiscating bottle tops is going to stop this….and I’m deluded?

 

[bhafc99]

Police have now arrested someone in relation to the Lucozade luzzing.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Don’t be stupid.

I’m saying there is no need to goad home fans.

Same in cricket right, a bowler isn’t allowed to direct their celebrations at the batsmen they’ve just got out - why? Because it isn’t necessary and the batsmen is suffering enough being out. Same for fans, bad enough to concede without players giving it big time to them.

Absolutely not condoning any action from fans, but this can be looked at from both sides. Players don’t celebrate in the faces of their opponents out of respect, no reason this shouldn’t extend to fans. By all means celebrate but al this gesticulating and goading fans is unnecessary.

Garden or beach cricket maybe, but a bowler's right of passage is to give the batsman a "send-off" - no need to be [too] rude or loud, but pointing out the way back to the hutch is par for the course ....

Respect may only come into it if the outed batter has already plundered plenty of runs.

 

[birthofanorange]

Players never used to do this, not to the extent now up to and over hoardings, it’s a relative modern thing to do all this goading of away fans. I’ve watched all levels of football from non-league up for 35 years or so and don’t remember as many players as these days preferring the attention of the opposition fans than their own. It seems to be part of a ****-wittery of the modern player, along with the constant play acting and cheating.

If you think banning 1 individual or confiscating bottle tops is going to stop this….and I’m deluded?

It's still no excuse for the individual to throw stuff, no matter the perceived provocation, and, it's perfect acceptable (to me) do be either on the receiving end of such provocation, or (preferably) the ones dishing it out.

As for the last sentence, no....I didn't say it would....I was saying that players celebrating won't stop it, so don't try to pin the blame on the players.

It wasn't that hard to understand, was it?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Garden or beach cricket maybe, but a bowler's right of passage is to give the batsman a "send-off" - no need to be [too] rude or loud, but pointing out the way back to the hutch is par for the course ....

Respect may only come into it if the outed batter has already plundered plenty of runs.

The ICC code of conduct is pretty clear you cannot send off a batsmen and will result in fines / ban.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It's still no excuse for the individual to throw stuff, no matter the perceived provocation, and, it's perfect acceptable (to me) do be either on the receiving end of such provocation, or (preferably) the ones dishing it out.

As for the last sentence, no....I didn't say it would....I was saying that players celebrating won't stop it, so don't try to pin the blame on the players.

It wasn't that hard to understand, was it?

It’s not that hard to understand that I’m not excusing the thrower surely?

 

[Coldeanseagull]

Bottles thrown, two points docked. If away fans, three points. Shame this wouldn't be workable

 

[Bold Seagull]

Bottles thrown, two points docked. If away fans, three points. Shame this wouldn't be workable

Yeah because a fan from another team could throw a bottle from within a rival teams end and see them relegated. So yes, completely unworkable.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Garden or beach cricket maybe, but a bowler's right of passage is to give the batsman a "send-off" - no need to be [too] rude or loud, but pointing out the way back to the hutch is par for the course ....

Respect may only come into it if the outed batter has already plundered plenty of runs.

This. I’ve seen it from bowlers on a number of occasions.

 

[birthofanorange]

It’s not that hard to understand that I’m not excusing the thrower surely?

Correct, and it's easy to understand that you're placing the 'blame' for their actions on the player/s celebrating - unless I'm misreading your original comments?

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17407178/everton-fans-missiles-aston-villa-cash-digne/

Jeepers - players even do a dive / the ‘hit by a sniper’ drop and roll when a plastic bottle goes through the crowd.

This play acting is so pathetic.

 

[Coldeanseagull]

Yeah because a fan from another team could throw a bottle from within a rival teams end and see them relegated. So yes, completely unworkable.

Thats how I was thinking, but couldn't explain it better as I had to run to the toilet!