Why the excitement for Oscar?

[Dick Knights Mumm]

We want to build on what we have. We no not want to be a club when the new manager comes in and rubbishes/rips up what has come before. All managerial appointments are a risk. But this one looks exciting.

And the last thing we want is one of the familiar old lags who have no discernable football philosophy.

 

[Psalm 56:5]

With all due respect, you must be bat-shit mental if you can't see why.

I pay no attention to European football. I don't even watch the Premiership when Palace aren't in it, so I'm by no way some Internet authority on footballing standards! I knew pretty much nothing about Oscar before you signed him, and if he had come to Palace I'd have had to look him up and read about him to make a judgement. My point is that I wouldn't have been excited because he played for Barcelona and won an Israeli league. That, to me, doesn't scream successful championship manager. Now he might be the most sought after young coach in all of Europe for all I know, so that was why I was asking. Out of curiosity, did you know about him before you were linked?

 

[fosters headband]

I didn't want to interrupt in the other thread, but for those who don't mind conversing with a Palace fan can you explain the excitement? It genuinely seems a really risky appointment to me. Not that players for big teams can't be good managers, of course they can, but they seem to fail as often as they succeed.

He could of course turn out to be brilliant, just as a high-scoring non-league player can turn out to be able to cut it in the Championship, but it seems a hell of a risk. Though of course your chairman is a good gambler

So lets turn this around and ask you why you think it is "genuinely seems a really risky appointment to me" and "it seems a hell of a risk"

 

[seagull_special]

He has pedigree, the Barcelona philosophy and he wont dismantle the team that has been assembled by Gus Poyet, the Swansea model is the one we are following. Of course there is always a risk with a new appointment but this potential one has our club buzzing.

 

[Psalm 56:5]

because he isn't Harry Redknapp, Pardew, Owen Coyle, Alan Curbishley, Steve McClaren or any of the other SHITE who were linked with us

Now THAT is a good argument

 

[shaolinpunk]

He's very highly rated, has been very successful at every level he has managed at (be it the Barca youth team or Maccabi Tel Aviv) and represents an evolution of the continental style of play that we have adopted. As a well respected name (with extensive contacts at the likes of Barca and Bayern Munich) he'll be able to attract big name players too, in the way that Poyet did.

Obviously it could all go tits up but it feels like this could be the start of something very special.

 

[brightonmark1234]

Now THAT is a good argument

and also no one who has been at the club before

 

[Psalm 56:5]

the israeli league is ranked higher than the SPL

If that isn't damning with feint praise I don't know what is

 

[Joe Gatting's Dad]

Jordi Cruyff runs Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Barcelona will probably look on this like a "loan" for him to gain managerial experience. They may well assist him with well planned loans or players with experience (like Bridge/Upson) who have seen better days, e.g. Vicente types.

This is very exciting!

 

[Mellotron]

Is that a good league? I honestly know nothing about it. Poyet had knowledge of the English game which seemed to be an advantage. If we had appointed an ex Real Madrid player who had won the league in Northern Ireland, would you have thought that was a good appointment or not?

If it was a relatively well known Real Madrid name AND he had a lot of experience coaching at Madrid then yes, definitely.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Gus got us stroking it around the pitch with a touch of flair , the only problem was that we didn't have a plan "B" when going behind or the opposition equalising. Oscar is still a gamble but Tony Bloom might have replaced a King with an Ace.

 

[shaolinpunk]

Barcelona will probably look on this like a "loan" for him to gain managerial experience. They may well assist him with well planned loans or players with experience (like Bridge/Upson) who have seen better days, e.g. Vicente types.

A couple of wonderkids on loan from Barca who could use gametime in a senior team would be very nice

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

I didn't want to interrupt in the other thread, but for those who don't mind conversing with a Palace fan can you explain the excitement? It genuinely seems a really risky appointment to me. Not that players for big teams can't be good managers, of course they can, but they seem to fail as often as they succeed.

He could of course turn out to be brilliant, just as a high-scoring non-league player can turn out to be able to cut it in the Championship, but it seems a hell of a risk. Though of course your chairman is a good gambler

To be fair, I know more about you than I do about our Oscar -- he sounds flair tho, where as you just wear them.

 

[Postman Pat]

I pay no attention to European football. I don't even watch the Premiership when Palace aren't in it, so I'm by no way some Internet authority on footballing standards! I knew pretty much nothing about Oscar before you signed him, and if he had come to Palace I'd have had to look him up and read about him to make a judgement. My point is that I wouldn't have been excited because he played for Barcelona and won an Israeli league. That, to me, doesn't scream successful championship manager. Now he might be the most sought after young coach in all of Europe for all I know, so that was why I was asking. Out of curiosity, did you know about him before you were linked?

How can you say it is a hell of a risk if you know F**k all about him or anything outside of your caravan park!? We could post up good things said about him by the likes of Guillem Balague etc.. but you won't know who they are.

 

[Brightonia]

What the hell has it got to do with you?

Why be a knob? Wasn't like he was being one!

 

[beorhthelm]

its a valid question. my answer is that my Barca supporting college said he was hoping OGJ was going there as assistant with a view to become the manager in a few seasons time. if you know how seriously barca fans follow their club and the expectations, that is a serious recommendation.

i do have a concern about his knowledge of English game. some overlook the importance of that, understanding the oppositions tactics and how to cunter them can be as important as developing your own. but then even with his knowledge, Gus never really bothered to counter the opposition and that done us OK (upto a point...). hopfully we'll keep a decent local on the coaching staff and the scouting can pick up this area.

 

[supaseagull]

he'll be able to attract big name players too, in the way that Poyet did.

More so I reckon

 

[StonehamPark]

I pay no attention to European football.
My point is that I wouldn't have been excited because he played for Barcelona and won an Israeli league. That, to me, doesn't scream successful championship manager. Now he might be the most sought after young coach in all of Europe for all I know, so that was why I was asking. Out of curiosity, did you know about him before you were linked?

Did you not read anything about Garcia coaching Barcelona's youth team and success he had there?
What about guiding Maccabi Tel Aviv to Champions League Qualifications in his first season there?
The first I had heard of him was when he was tipped to take on the Barcelona job.

What 'screams successful Championship Manager' to you, if you pay no attention to European Football?

 

[Psalm 56:5]

So lets turn this around and ask you why you think it is "genuinely seems a really risky appointment to me" and "it seems a hell of a risk"

Sure. I think a foreign coach with no experience of a country is often a risk in itself. It can work of course, and certainly does in the Premiership where silly money is thrown around, but I'm suspicious of it working lower the leagues. That doesn't mean I'm right, but it is my opinion.

I'm also suspicious of the notion that players from good teams make good managers. I just don't think it holds up. Often, because of their fame, they get given decent first jobs with relatively strong teams and a good budget, which means they over perform at first. Then they often seem to get found out. Brighton have an ok team in the Championship (and like three quarters of the teams have every right to believe they could go up next year) but not one of the biggest budgets. I don't know how well he's suited to your circumstances.

Lastly, I don't pay much attention to winning the weaker foreign leagues. I don't think they are even championship standard. Players and mangers from such leagues often seem to struggle when they come here, though of course some succeed too.

I just think he's a total unknown. Could be brilliant, could be crap. I thought Bloom was looking for something more certain, but he is a gambler and I'm sure he thinks it's a risk worth taking.

The continuity argument is good. If this guy plays the same way as Poyet obviously that minimises the disruption. Do his teams play the same way though? I have no idea, but the notion that they must because he's a Spanish speaking ex-Barca player seems a dangerous assumption.

 

[dadams2k11]

Because he is FLAIR.....