Why doesn't FIFA just shove it.

[Eeyore]

This. It all gets way too much. My son is in Cubs. He does the parade on Remembrance Sunday and I go with him to the service. The whole family get poppies and observe the silence on the 11th. That is all about respect.

But modern culture isn't happy with that. modern culture insists that it's observed at every sporting event in the country and shoved on shirts and that Sharon bleedin' Osbourne has to wear a poppy the size of Simon Cowell's head on the XFactor every week from late October. That we petition FIFA because we're "special" (clue, they absolutely hate us already). That we have to have poppies on our Facebook profiles and Twitter avis. And, that if we don't, we're unpatriotic, soldier hating b*****ds. Sod that. It's a mark of respect for the fallen, not a who can protest about caring the most competition.

100%. Remembrance Sunday is special, and should remain so.

I've often wondered whether these centrally encouraged further events are less about the fallen and more politically motivated. Armed Forces Day is an example. Are we showing respect for the sacrifices of those who take up military duty or are we being constructed to conform to an obedience of foreign policy ? I respect our armed forces, I will not be forced to respect our government's choice of deployment.

That is why I worry about the increase in ceremony around this time in November. Solemn respect and remembrance is becoming too political- and that takes away from its proper meaning and, in some ways, shows less respect for those heroes, and that is what they are, who gave their lives.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

According to bbc sport FIFA have also refused permission for armbands with poppies on having originally refused it on the shirts.

I've only just realised this. I can understand their objections to the shirt with all the rules pertaining to sponsorship but why are they objecting to the armbands, when they've been worn previously?

 

[HastingsSeagull]

No need for a poppy on the shirt as it is against the rules. Just plan a massive full scale political etc. show for the stadium and then times those plans by 10. Paint a huge one on the centre circle, paint the goals red or the whole area behind the goal-line etc.

Stick to the rules but also shove it up FIFA's ares as nobody much abroad would notice the poppy but they'll have 2 hours of noticing that stuff

 

[Notters]

No need for a poppy on the shirt as it is against the rules. Just plan a massive full scale political etc. show for the stadium and then times those plans by 10. Paint a huge one on the centre circle, paint the goals red or the whole area behind the goal-line etc.

Stick to the rules but also shove it up FIFA's ares as nobody much abroad would notice the poppy but they'll have 2 hours of noticing that stuff

What sort of sad loser from abroad would want to watch Scotland or England play?

 

[mikeyjh]

Whoever thought there should be remembrance day ceremonies at last weekends matches doesn't realise it how it diminishes the whole point. If you want to pay your respects buy a poppy on the street and go to your local cenotaph or ceremony on Remembrance Sunday

This. Our self righteous obsession with wearing the poppy does nothing to help remember the fallen. No doubt some poor politician will get slaughtered for getting caught on camera without a poppy at any time in November. Probable a leftie, or a Muslim.

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[The Spanish]

What sort of sad loser from abroad would want to watch Scotland or England play?

England are about the biggest draw for neutrals in international football

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

What about Spain, Brazil, Germany?

 

[Half Time Pies]

Whether you consider that wearing a poppy is political or not I suppose depends on if you see the primary purpose of the poppy 'appeal' as 1) to remember the 1.5 million or so British conscripted soldiers that died more than 70 years ago in the first and second world wars saving our country from foreign aggression or 2) whether it is to raise money for professional soldiers who fought in politically and economically motivated conflicts in places like Iraq and Afghanistan and who should probably be financially supported by the government in any case. If its the latter then I think FIFA has a point!

 

[Soulman]

I shall wear my poppy and attend a ceremony.
Be nice to see the England players sing the national anthem.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This. Our self righteous obsession with wearing the poppy does nothing to help remember the fallen. No doubt some poor politician will get slaughtered for getting caught on camera without a poppy at any time in November. Probable a leftie, or a Muslim.

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Why single out a Muslim? Silly comment.

Don't answer that as it will derail the thread.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Whether you consider that wearing a poppy is political or not I suppose depends on if you see the primary purpose of the poppy 'appeal' as 1) to remember the 1.5 million or so British conscripted soldiers that died more than 70 years ago in the first and second world wars saving our country from foreign aggression or 2) whether it is to raise money for professional soldiers who fought in politically and economically motivated conflicts in places like Iraq and Afghanistan and who should probably be financially supported by the government in any case. If its the latter then I think FIFA has a point!

It isn't just for those injured in wars. A serving person could have a car crash or another accident, & still be supported. A lot of help is one off payments, for example, if I lost my mobility & needed a stairlift, I could apply because I served 50 years ago.

 

[mikeyjh]

Why single out a Muslim? Silly comment.

Don't answer that as it will derail the thread.

I will just for clarity. I was passing comment on the self righteous, rather than any Muslim. It could have been any group that is the subject of the Daily Mail bile - Gay, immigrant etc,

 

[Notters]

England are about the biggest draw for neutrals in international football

Really?!

 

[Norman Potting]

IMHO a well reasoned article on the matter from the Grauniad website...

http://bit.ly/2fDyA34

 

[W.C.]

England are about the biggest draw for neutrals in international football

Seriously? Star appeal maybe, but watching? I don't believe that for a second.

 

[heathgate]

I don't require my mind being focused by a calendar! I can remember without being prompted by a date or time.

Bully for you

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[Half Time Pies]

It isn't just for those injured in wars. A serving person could have a car crash or another accident, & still be supported. A lot of help is one off payments, for example, if I lost my mobility & needed a stairlift, I could apply because I served 50 years ago.

Well that makes it even more Political! My wife had a career as a nurse but if she has a car crash or needs a stairlift there is no fund for her to tap in to, why should soldiers benefit from one over and above anyone else in our society?

 

[Honky Tonx]

Wearing a poppy is a mark of respect, nothing political or commercial. Those how run FIFA should remember that Men and Women died so that they can live their lives in freedom. I hope the FA hand out flags with a picture of a poppy on to all those attending the match and turn away any FIFA official from the stadium.

 

[Soulman]

Well that makes it even more Political! My wife had a career as a nurse but if she has a car crash or needs a stairlift there is no fund for her to tap in to, why should soldiers benefit from one over and above anyone else in our society?

Nurses do not die or get seriously wounded doing their job.

 

[alfredmizen]

Well that makes it even more Political! My wife had a career as a nurse but if she has a car crash or needs a stairlift there is no fund for her to tap in to, why should soldiers benefit from one over and above anyone else in our society?

Did your wife volunteer to risk her life on a regular basis ? No , she didn't , THATS why soldiers should benefit over and above anyone else you'd do well to remember that.