Why do we rarely score from corners?

[Jim in the West]

Newcastle must have done their bit towards pipping us for that dubious title yesterday with their 19 corners to Leeds none

Indeed - they didn't score from any of them, despite them being taken by Shelvey and Ritchie - probably two of the best corner takers in the Championship.

 

[spring hall convert]

These days it seems almost as common to see teams score when they break away from defending a corner. Would be interesting to know what the stats are for that.

I'd bet a pound to a penny we've scored more breaking from opponents corners than we have direct from our own.

In answer to the OP, it must be really hard because our delivery from corners this year has been as threatening as I remember it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Most teams don't score that many corners, they just aren't as productive as is made out.

But I think we've scored the least in the league. Given that we're one of the most attacking teams, we've probably had more than our fair share of corners, which makes the stat even starker.

I think we did ok from them last year, with the likes of Dunk and Hemed profiting from Skalak's crosses. No idea what's stopped them this season.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Jose Morinho said a few weeks ago that the English are the only fans in the world that celebrate when they get a corner, when usually, nothing happens.
And he is right.

 

[Pantani]

These days it seems almost as common to see teams score when they break away from defending a corner. Would be interesting to know what the stats are for that.

That is why Spanish teams do not even stick it in the box. Basically corners are glorified throw ins.

 

[el punal]

'Cos we score from everywhere else.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Jose Mourinho tends to know a thing or two...

"How many countries can you think of where a corner kick is treated with the same applause as a goal? One. It only happens in England.
"This is the only place where a corner kick is as good as a goal for the fans. And what is the best way to get a corner? Just kicking the ball into the box and pressing the second ball."

 

[DavePage]

Too much permitted bear hugging in the box nowadays

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Jose Mourinho tends to know a thing or two...

Except it isn't true. The applause is the anticipation of an attack on goal not equivalence to a goal. I suppose we will have to get used to the like of Mourinho being listened to as though they are Greek philosophers. I have been able to avoid this sort of thing up to now by not having Sky or watching MOTD. Oh well, a small price to pay.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Except it isn't true. The applause is the anticipation of an attack on goal not equivalence to a goal. I suppose we will have to get used to the like of Mourinho being listened to as though they are Greek philosophers. I have been able to avoid this sort of thing up to now by not having Sky or watching MOTD. Oh well, a small price to pay.

Gutted for you.

 

[Acker79]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...fence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece (includes pic of Knockaert)

Football fans have a curious relationship with corners. For a set piece that, according to Opta, leads to a goal only 3.2% of the time, they don’t half get excited about them. A stadium invariably gets louder when a corner is given and there is a heightened sense of anticipation or fear depending on who you are supporting. Yet, never before has the prevailing opinion on this particular set piece seemed more scathing, with many fans’ forums containing a thread with a title along the lines of “Why are we so bad at corners?” and the phrase “You’ve got to be able to beat the first man” right up there at the top of the co-commentator cliche bingo list. But is it really true that, when footballers’ technical ability has seemingly improved in the past decade or so – particularly from an attacking perspective – their ability to knock a ball 25 yards into the penalty area has deteriorated?

In the past five seasons, the Premier League’s goals-from-corners ratio has barely moved, varying between 0.32 goals per game to 0.38. It’s probably fair to assume that this figure isn’t wildly different across Europe’s leading leagues or in international football. So, if there hasn’t been a sudden drop in the effectiveness of corners in creating goals why is it that we now appear to have such a dim view of them?

A starting point could be that our opinion is perhaps coloured by the volume of football on TV. If a corner only leads to a goal 3.2% of the time it’s inevitable that most corners aren’t going to leave a good impression and the more of them we see the more entrenched that negative view is going to get. And then there is the oft-parroted view that professional footballers trousering loads of cash at the very least should be able to beat the first man. This is where there is a serious misunderstanding by many fans about what constitutes an effective corner. There is a huge difference between phoning one in and delivering a dangerous one.

If you look at footage of corners taken in the 60s and 70s there was more of a tendency to loft the ball into the box. With this method, unless you miskick horrendously, you will almost certainly beat the first man but you will have very little dip or pace on the ball. That was fine in an era when you could put a bit of physical pressure on goalkeepers who still preferred to catch the ball (meaning they could be easily nudged into dropping it), but these days that kind of corner just doesn’t cut it, with keepers preferring to punch to lessen the chance of making a handling error and referees affording them more protection.

This means that for a corner to really cause panic in an opposing defence, one of the best areas to direct it is just behind the first defender usually stationed at the front of the six-yard box. It’s a particularly tight target, similar to aiming for the top corner of the goal when taking a direct free-kick. Not only must they get zip and bend on the ball, they have to make sure they don’t overhit it nor deliver it too close to the keeper. And with the first man usually standing about 20 yards away, to be effective, the ball needs to dip just after clearing this player to unsight defenders and give those attacking the ball the best chance of nipping in front of their opponents to divert it at goal. Nacer Chadli’s delivery for Craig Dawson’s first goal for West Bromwich Albion against Arsenal earlier this month was devastatingly good and Arsène Wenger was right to point this out whatever the deficiencies in his defence. Mastering dip at a specific distance is a difficult skill – it is probably easier on a free-kick when you have a wall close by to help calibrate it. There are so many factors to consider when delivering a corner and a variety of styles that mean some are more difficult than others. A front-post corner is probably more likely to be cleared by the first man than a back-post one, for example, while an outswinger gives a goalkeeper less chance of collecting it but is probably not as dangerous as a fizzed inswinger. Perhaps the pursuit of perfection means that, say, four out of 10 corners don’t clear the first man, but of the six that do the chances of scoring from them are much greater than clipping in 10 safe ones.

There are other reasons the corner is given a rough deal. Considering the amount of money spent by leading professional clubs on ensuring they do everything they can to give their players the best possible chance of performing well, when it comes to making them feel comfortable in their own ground when taking a corner, they still leave a lot to be desired. Beyond the touchlines at Old Trafford the turf runs off down a slope. Corner takers there have to trot up a hill before delivering their kick. Other grounds have similar obstacles and some still don’t have the optimum space for a run-up – certainly not as much as would be afforded on the training ground. In the past decade most clubs have introduced synthetic turf beyond the touchline to prevent wear and tear from assistant referees and substitutes. This means corner takers can often be put off by the feel of the surface changing beneath their feet as they are about to strike the ball. And while it is easy to perhaps hold little sympathy for footballers over what appear to be minor inconveniences, it is odd that there are still improvements that could be made in this area at major clubs who try so hard to make marginal gains elsewhere.

Another factor could be a change in the tactical approach by some clubs towards defending corners. In the past decade, there has been a growing trend towards not putting a player on both posts, with a preference instead to leave one or both unguarded. One of the reasons for this system is to use a corner conceded as a platform from which to spring your own potent counterattack. André Villas-Boas and Brendan Rodgers, both known for bold tactical experimentation (with varying degrees of success), were among those to first use this set-up in the Premier League. They believe opposing teams are at their most vulnerable when taking a corner and there is evidence to suggest they are right. This season, Liverpool have conceded numerous times immediately after their own corner-kicks. So it is little wonder now that many teams are often reluctant to pack the opposing penalty area in the way they would in the past, thus decreasing their chances of scoring.

That’s not to say there aren’t occasions when players aren’t just useless at them. In recent years, a couple of comedic efforts from Wayne Rooney and Iago Aspas have done for the corner’s reputation what Jar Jar Binks did to George Lucas’s as a celebrated director. Taking a good corner isn’t the hardest thing in the world but nor is it as easy as many casual observers assume. Perhaps we should be a little less hasty in bemoaning the state of this much-maligned set piece – and appreciate a good corner a little more than we currently do.

Jose Mourinho tends to know a thing or two...

I kinda agree with Mourinho. It seems like wherever I've sat or stood when watching the albion, there has always been someone around who would constantly criticise whatever corner we took - "short corners never work!" (shortly followed by us scoring in one humorous occasion at withdean), "we never beat the first man!", despite this, that same person almost without exception cheered any award of a corner.

I also find it mildly amusing the way both sets of fans applaud a corner, the attacking team for the intent shown and the potential for something to come from it (despite it being unlikely), and the defending team because of the defensive work blocking an attack (despite there still being a threat of a goal).

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...fence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece (includes pic of Knockaert)


I kinda agree with Mourinho. It seems like wherever I've sat or stood when watching the albion, there has always been someone around who would constantly criticise whatever corner we took - "short corners never work!" (shortly followed by us scoring in one humorous occasion at withdean), "we never beat the first man!", despite this, that same person almost without exception cheered any award of a corner.

I also find it mildly amusing the way both sets of fans applaud a corner, the attacking team for the intent shown and the potential for something to come from it (despite it being unlikely), and the defending team because of the defensive work blocking an attack (despite there still being a threat of a goal).

Isn't the excitement of a corner more to do with the atmosphere generated from the fans willing the team on ? In the (not so old) days the Goldstone would break into chants of 'Seagulls.' Sure, the stats may show a low percentage of goal outcomes but that kind of play station reading of the game does little for me. It seems to be in the same category as 'assists' and 'miles run' which actually give little context. It is clearly important information for managers but to this fan enjoying the spectacle I am going to
continue to get excited by the award of a corner to the Albion.
If Mourinho' s remarks about corners were applied to watching Albion games over the years rather than just to corners we probably wouldn't have bothered. Many a time Albion fans have travelled excitedly to matches where we have had very little statistical chance of success. I guess the point I am making is that stats and probability are of little importance to many fans as compared to the emotion of the contest.

 

[gordonchas]

That is why Spanish teams do not even stick it in the box. Basically corners are glorified throw ins.

I understand why that perception exists, but it's completely untrue. Spanish teams routinely whack corners into the mix just like anyone else.

What's more, Spanish fans applaud corners as enthusiastically as the English.

Can I just add that like an early poster to this thread I also knew that on average only 1 corner in 30 results in a goal, which makes them not particularly dangerous, but free kicks where a direct shot is taken on goal has a ratio of about 1 to 15. So that free kick on the edge of the box is only twice as effective as a corner.

Unless it's Ronaldo taking it - in which case the success rate drops to 1 in 100.

 

[perseus]

Set peices this season

 

[perseus]

Last season:

 

[saafend_seagull]

I understand why that perception exists, but it's completely untrue. Spanish teams routinely whack corners into the mix just like anyone else.

What's more, Spanish fans applaud corners as enthusiastically as the English.

Can I just add that like an early poster to this thread I also knew that on average only 1 corner in 30 results in a goal, which makes them not particularly dangerous, but free kicks where a direct shot is taken on goal has a ratio of about 1 to 15. So that free kick on the edge of the box is only twice as effective as a corner.

Unless it's Ronaldo taking it - in which case the success rate drops to 1 in 100.

What? Mourinho is spot on. I know a lot of Spanish and germans from being in Luxembourg for 6.5 years and they are all bemused by how excited we get when we get we get a corner as in Spain and Germany there is close to nil reaction.

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[Megazone]

What? Mourinho is spot on. I know a lot of Spanish and germans from being in Luxembourg for 6.5 years and they are all bemused by how excited we get when we get we get a corner as in Spain and Germany there is close to nil reaction.

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Probably explains why the atmosphere at English games seems to be the best.

Let's not forget, we won the League 2 title against Chesterfield from a corner.

 

[gordonchas]

What? Mourinho is spot on. I know a lot of Spanish and germans from being in Luxembourg for 6.5 years and they are all bemused by how excited we get when we get we get a corner as in Spain and Germany there is close to nil reaction.

I made the point as I've lived in Spain for the past 12 years. However, maybe I've been hearing things at all those games I've been to.