[Albion] Why did CH bring on Locadia at the end?

[Guinness Boy]

Try reading the OP properly!

In any case most of you must be dimwits because
everybody else knows that the clock is stopped for substitutions.

No, the clock is not stopped. It's not rugby. It keeps ticking and the ref has to add an approximation on.

CH could have brought me on and we'd still have won. Daftest thread today.

OP - 30 seconds is added on and teams do it so regularly that a ban has been suggested.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...me-substitutions-premier-league-a8602481.html

 

[Seagull kimchi]

I'm guessing - shits and giggles...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

After doing the double over Palace CH is entitled to play who he wants & when he wants.
Yes, it does waste time.

 

[Nottseagull]

Probably passed you by but it breaks up any momentum the losing team are building and it is ****ING annoying if you are the side that is losing

I know all that - I saw Zaha's face when the substitution was called!
In trying to make out that I'm some semi-senile old
fart who's not quite with it, you've shown that it's actually you who's letting things pass you by, in this case...

I'm not questioning the actual substitution,

 

[symyjym]

To get to the other side.

 

[Eeyore]

Try reading the OP properly!

In any case most of you must be dimwits because
everybody else knows that the clock is stopped for substitutions.

This dimwit's understanding is that a substitution disrupts the flow of play so it resumes from a static and slightly delayed point. Most managers will do it.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Good thread. Hughton has had a mare today. Let’s pick it apart.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Try reading the OP properly!

In any case most of you must be dimwits because
everybody else knows that the clock is stopped for substitutions.

Right anwser.

I think it's just to interupt and play the Palarse might be having, and always done when the game is so tight.

 

[West Upper Seagull]

What was strange is that he came on for Ali J. Glenn certainly thought he was coming off because as soon as he saw JLo standing on the touch line Glenn ran across to our side of the pitch so that he would have further to walk to come off ! And then Ali J’s number comes up ! What was strange was that I would have thought it better to have brought Kayal on for AJ - but who cares now !

 

[BN9 BHA]

What a bizarre thing to start a thread about! The answer is pretty obvious man!

I see some of these threads, laugh and think some people must start their own thread,

I'm trying to keep up reading all the other threads.

 

[Lindfield by the Pond]

Try reading the OP properly!

In any case most of you must be dimwits because
everybody else knows that the clock is stopped for substitutions.

Thought they gave 30s for a sub. If your man can take longer, your in credit And it breaks up play, allows you to re-organise etc

 

[The Brighton Buzz]

But more time is added on for substitutions. Can't see how we could gain anything from it.

Normally I understand it, but in this case we had 15 seconds to go before the ref blew the final whistle. Given that refs add on 30 seconds for a substitution CH gave CP another 15 to 20 seconds to get an equaliser. lol

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

I think the OP means why a forward, not why a substitution

Come on, you know what CH is like. Gung Ho as always, attack! attack! attack!

 

[Acker79]

But more time is added on for substitutions. Can't see how we could gain anything from it.

everybody else knows that the clock is stopped for substitutions.

OP - 30 seconds is added on

Thought they gave 30s for a sub.

Given that refs add on 30 seconds for a substitution

The clock is not stopped. There is no set time added on for substitutions (some commentator somewhere once tied to use it as a rough estimate to explain where extra time came from and it seems to have been embraced as fact - what if palace made a substitution, one sprints off, the other sprints on, done and dusted in ten seconds - why would the ref add 30 seconds? He wouldn't). The current laws of the game list substitutions as one of the events for which a referee may make 'allowances for time lost'. It doesn't say that every second lost to substitutions has to be added on. Previous editions of the laws of the game have actually specified that it wasn't a like-for-like instance, that a certain amount of lost time is to be expected when the ball goes out of play, when goals are celebrated, when substitutions are made. As has been pointed out before, the ball tends to be in play for between 60-70 minutes in any given match. When was the last time you saw a game have 30 minutes of added on time?

Time gets added on when more than a reasonable amount of time is lost. When a player goes to the far side of the pitch just before being substituted, then the throw-in taker delays and delays, when the goal keeper cleans his boots before collecting the ball, then cleans them again after putting the ball down the opposite side to where he collected it, etc.

Yes, often these time wasting substitutions result in refs adding extra time time to the game. But it still lead to some time being used up, can disrupt the flow of the game, can put some fresh legs on that helps with counter attacks, or even the battle to keep out a late onslaught.

 

[Invicta]

Happy days when this is the days critical story !!

 

[Guinness Boy]

The clock is not stopped. There is no set time added on for substitutions (some commentator somewhere once tied to use it as a rough estimate to explain where extra time came from and it seems to have been embraced as fact - what if palace made a substitution, one sprints off, the other sprints on, done and dusted in ten seconds - why would the ref add 30 seconds? He wouldn't). The current laws of the game list substitutions as one of the events for which a referee may make 'allowances for time lost'. It doesn't say that every second lost to substitutions has to be added on. Previous editions of the laws of the game have actually specified that it wasn't a like-for-like instance, that a certain amount of lost time is to be expected when the ball goes out of play, when goals are celebrated, when substitutions are made. As has been pointed out before, the ball tends to be in play for between 60-70 minutes in any given match. When was the last time you saw a game have 30 minutes of added on time?

Time gets added on when more than a reasonable amount of time is lost. When a player goes to the far side of the pitch just before being substituted, then the throw-in taker delays and delays, when the goal keeper cleans his boots before collecting the ball, then cleans them again after putting the ball down the opposite side to where he collected it, etc.

Yes, often these time wasting substitutions result in refs adding extra time time to the game. But it still lead to some time being used up, can disrupt the flow of the game, can put some fresh legs on that helps with counter attacks, or even the battle to keep out a late onslaught.

30 seconds is added on as a rule of thumb, not a rule of the game. Plenty of google-able links to confirm. Yes if someone sprints on and off it may be less if the referee doesn't go to default. Equally somone walking off from the corner flag risks more being added. But as a standard rule of thumb they add 30 seconds. You never see it as an amount because there is always more added time and, in any case, added time is a minimum of 'n' minutes.

But your point about the clock not stopping is correct. Pedantically the rest may well be correct as well - but it is accepted by a number of respected sports publiactions' links that 30 seconds is the default.

 

[LamieRobertson]

We beat Palace.....I don't care about anything else ...lalalalalala

 

[neilbard]

This decision didn't get questioned in the match thread.

I'm not questioning the actual substitution, just that a striker was brought on whilst we were still winning at the end of injury time. It's as if Chris was trying to make up for the fact that he didn't include him in the squad! Do you think he needs to be managed psychologically?

Who Chris?

 

[brightn'ove]

But more time is added on for substitutions. Can't see how we could gain anything from it.

The ref will almost never actually add on the correct amount of time, so it’s a net win.

 

[Acker79]

30 seconds is added on as a rule of thumb, not a rule of the game.

Only if 'rule of thumb' means 'this isn't right, and will lead to people assuming something that isn't true, but it's easier to understand than what is accurate and true'. Of course there are lots of sites that mention it. Like I said before, it was embraced, but it's not true. It is simplistic and inaccurate. There is no predetermined amount of time to be added on for any event in football. An appropriate amount of time is added on dependant on time lost.

Whether a late sub is effective as far as time wasting is concerned, it absolutely does. If the ref thinks 15 secs is appropriate time for a substitution and we take 40 seconds, he adds 25 to the game, so we've wasted 15 (as well as the other benefits of unsettling opponents, etc.)