[Albion] Why can't retrospective action be taken against cheats?

[Sorrel]

I don't think it should be part of retrospective punishment, but it should be part of referee training, with them told how to spot this kind of thing. The FA could publicise it when it happens and keep track on which players to watch particularly.

That would probably soon put a stop to it. The problem is that the FA pretends that it doesn't happen.

 

[Arthritic Toe]

Absolutely it should, regardless of whether it affects our players or not. We saw on the opening weekend the raft of yellow cards for kicking the ball away / time-wasting, and lo and behold, far fewer the following weekend. In a few more weeks, when its sunk into all players' thick skulls, it'll be eliminated more or less completely and the game is far better for it. Lets do the same with cheating.

 

[maffew]

I reckon they should be branded a new coloured card specific for CHEATING say green, and prolific cheaters can be easily measured and named and shamed in a table of top cheats for the fans and refs to have for their perusal. Maybe make them where a cheats equivalent of a dunces hat for 3 games..

 

[Seaview Seagull]

I agree this needs eliminating. We need to sort out own house out though. Too many instances of Mitoma diving- he's better than that.

 

[Littlemo]

I was thinking during the game that Moyes teams didn’t do this 10, 15 years ago.

A case of if you can’t beat them, join in.

Genuinely, I wonder if Emery, Silva et al have a specialist coach on cheating methods.

[I know the nsc cavalry will arrive soon to tell us that we’re as bad as anyone at cheating. We’re not].

Paqueta did it a few times but I don’t really remember any of the other West Ham players diving much. I wonder if the player learnt it and is doing it himself?

 

[portlock seagull]

I reckon they should be branded a new coloured card specific for CHEATING say green, and prolific cheaters can be easily measured and named and shamed in a table of top cheats for the fans and refs to have for their perusal. Maybe make them where a cheats equivalent of a dunces hat for 3 games..

They get booked for already, it’s part of the yellow table and could easily be extrapolated currently. A lot better would be for refs to implement new rules for entire season not just August.

 

[Bodian]

I agree this needs eliminating. We need to sort out own house out though. Too many instances of Mitoma diving- he's better than that.

Has he dived much this season? Can't recall many instances, if any.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Yes there should be retrospective action- fine / card. Each game is covered from multi camera angles, so getting the evidence isn’t hard

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I would suggest that VAR should look at things like this whilst the game carries on and advise the ref to issue bookings/red cards, but we all know that would be too complicated for them.

The 'public' only want VAR involved when it suits them. That's why VAR* is now reluctant to damage the spontaneity of the game by asking referees to 'have a look'. And referees have to have a look because they are in charge, not VAR. VAR can't make decisions other than offside. That's what the punters want. Referees in charge and very little VAR.

The gold dream of course is getting rid of VAR because proper fans would rather see their team cheated and lose than have bad decisions corrected by VAR. Not interrupting the flow of the game and spoiling the spontaneous enjoyment of paying customers is what is important. Fact. Apparently.

*PGMOL, the referees, ever intent on gaming everything to elevate the importance of the on-field referee.

 

[Baldseagull]

VAR has taken actually reduced the risks of diving for an offending player.
2017/18 season a panel was introduced to assess the offence of "succesful deception of a match official", where a player is sent off or a penalty awarded as a consequence of "simulation". Offenders received a 2 match suspension, but with VAR, the offence can never happen as a penalty award and a red card are reviewed, so a VAR should pick it up, meaning a player just risks being booked now. 2019/2020 VAR came in so we had 2 seasons of it, and whilst it is of course preferable for a dodgy pen to not be given, or an innocent player not to be sent off for the team on the wrong end of those, perhaps the panel should return to issue bans for those players that have attempted the deception.

 

[Robinjakarta]

I agree this needs eliminating. We need to sort out own house out though. Too many instances of Mitoma diving- he's better than that.

Hasn't he stopped this? One example was his wonder goal against Wolves. Going down would have been easier than what he did and could have resulted in a stonewall penalty, but he just kept going.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Probably been suggested before, but as each potential red card offence has to be reviewed by VAR, why can't they call attention to play acting and issue a yellow.
No need for retrospective action, just call it out during the game.