[Football] Why bring on Dier?

[Guinness Boy]

You're too young to remember Carlton Palmer or Geoff Thomas then?

To be fair I am exactly the right age to remember them and you may have a point.

Not sure if it was him or Southgate tonight but in open play he looked like a rugby player that had been told to stand somewhere in the middle of the pitch and make a nuisance of himself. He completed ONE forward pass. One. We counted.

Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer we won in 90 minutes.


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[Triggaaar]

Eric Dier’s Uncle is an Albion season ticket holder. He sits near me and at the last game I passed on some penalties advice for him

Who does the uncle play for?

 

[One Love]

The goalie was offering everyone to his right and making it so easy to score that side.

Henderson tried to double bluff him. Dier only just got it right .

Thank God for NSC

 

[Pantani]

Good penalty though

Wasn't really though, was it? Went in, but it was a nice height and nowhere near the corner. Most keepers would expect to save that pen if they went the right way.

However England actually win a shoot out

 

[One Love]

Wasn't really though, was it? Went in, but it was a nice height and nowhere near the corner. Most keepers would expect to save that pen if they went the right way.

However England actually win a shoot out

We got very lucky

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Absolutely the worst player I’ve seen in an a England shirt. My Spurs mates I’m watching it with physically winced when he came on.

Jesus Christ. Where to even start.

Andy Sinton. Michael Ricketts. James Ward-Prowse. Francis Jeffers. David Nugent. Russell Osman. Stuart Ripley. Seth Johnson. Jay Bothroyd. Gavin McCann. Kevin Davies. Rickie Lambert. Andy Gray (the Palace one). Jon Flanagan. Carl Jenkinson. Matt Jarvis. Russell Osman. Zat Knight. Jay Rodriguez.

I could go on?

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

So chuffed I posted, it guaranteed Dier would score the winner

To be fair, you were right. He’s not a good enough midfielder at international level and that change effected us badly.

The lad’s got balls though, he showed fantastic character and I’m sure Southgate will learn from that.

 

[Brovion]

To be fair, you were right. He’s not a good enough midfielder at international level and that change effected us badly.

The lad’s got balls though, he showed fantastic character and I’m sure Southgate will learn from that.

I agree, and I'm sure some of the other 'Captain Hindsights' on here also really thought the same.. My heart sunk when he came on, and whilst he is patently not the worst-ever England player (see Edna's post #46), the poster who said he is 'Old England' got it spot on. He did absolutely nothing whilst he was on to make me think he was the right sub - until that very last kick.

 

[Bold Seagull]

We got very lucky

They nearly got very lucky.

Would have been an absolute travesty had they gone through.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

To be fair, you were right. He’s not a good enough midfielder at international level and that change effected us badly.

The lad’s got balls though, he showed fantastic character and I’m sure Southgate will learn from that.

Good post and correct IMO.



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[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Sammy Lee would make Dier look like Platini.

 

[jameswestport]

Why bring on Dier? Why f***ing bring on f***ing Dier?

We've now got the worst player by a country mile on the pitch for the last 30 minutes.

Haha

 

[One Love]

Haha

They equalised when before that they didn't have a hope in hell of scoring.

Haha

 

[martin tyler]

Wasn't really though, was it? Went in, but it was a nice height and nowhere near the corner. Most keepers would expect to save that pen if they went the right way.

However England actually win a shoot out

Was thinking more in the circumstances and that it actually went in. Your right about the actual penalty once he went the right way and got a hand to it you would expect him to save it

 

[hans kraay fan club]

They equalised when before that they didn't have a hope in hell of scoring.

Haha

Are you trying to somehow pin THAT on Dier?

He was supposed to shield the back four so they didn't break us down. And they didn't. Their guy, hit an unbelievable speculative strike from 35 yards, that Pickford did amazingly well to deflect wide. Then Harry Maguire got beaten in the air from the resulting corner.

 

[One Love]

Are you trying to somehow pin THAT on Dier?

He was supposed to shield the back four so they didn't break us down. And they didn't. Their guy, hit an unbelievable speculative strike from 35 yards, that Pickford did amazingly well to deflect wide. Then Harry Maguire got caught beaten in the air from the resulting corner.

Not on Dier himself.

On the changing of the shape of the team in a game we had complete control of.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not on Dier himself.

On the changing of the shape of the team in a game we had complete control of.

... until about 70th min when they started to actually play football, some 10 min before Dier came on. was i the only one that noticed this?

 

[One Love]

... until about 70th min when they started to actually play football, some 10 min before Dier came on. was i the only one that noticed this?

yes

because it didn't happen

 

[jameswestport]

I like Dier. Great sub to bring on at that stage of the game!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Jesus Christ. Where to even start.

Andy Sinton. Michael Ricketts. James Ward-Prowse. Francis Jeffers. David Nugent. Russell Osman. Stuart Ripley. Seth Johnson. Jay Bothroyd. Gavin McCann. Kevin Davies. Rickie Lambert. Andy Gray (the Palace one). Jon Flanagan. Carl Jenkinson. Matt Jarvis. Russell Osman. Zat Knight. Jay Rodriguez.

I could go on?

In the cold light of day you may have a point, though there are some in that list (Knight, Flanagan) who I can't recall in a full England shirt at all. They certainly didn't play in a competitive game. I'm guessing 20 minutes in an obscure friendly. So, I'll amend to "one of the worst I've seen in an England shirt in a competitive tournament". Because he is.

When you're watching the game with two Spurs STHs and one of them hides behind the sofa when Dier comes on you know you're in trouble. Literally his first touch put us in trouble with a backwards pass even Stephens would have thought of as too safe. After that he blundered about like someone had made him a footballer by accident.

But then, to be fair, he had the balls to take the last penalty and score it. Only just, but he did. I still don't want to see him deployed again though.