[Albion] Whose fault is this whole "not scoring goals" thing?

[Swansman]

Winning = God's gift to coaching.
Losing = players fault.

Winning = team wins
Losing = team loses

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

As Wayne Gretzky famously said ' you miss 100% of the shots you don't take'

Or in Brighton's case ,we miss 100% of the shots we do take.

 

[Weststander]

As Wayne Gretzky famously said ' you miss 100% of the shots you don't take'

Or in Brighton's case ,we miss 100% of the shots we do take.

The Great One.

(Same as Locadia )

 

[Stat Brother]

As Wayne Gretzky famously said ' you miss 100% of the shots you don't take'

Or in Brighton's case ,we miss 100% of the shots we do take.

Gretzky - a man not known for hiding behind Mummy's apron because all the customers shouted "shoot".

 

[Hamilton]

Yeah if you move the goal posts, coaches can appear to make the difference. Harry Kane was a beast while Mourinho was in charge.. just like now.

Wonder why Manchester City wanted to buy Kane rather than Maupay, Connolly or you if the coach is the difference?

You don't half talk in riddles. Kane started to lose in towards the end of the Jose reign, lost it completely under Nuno and is now rediscovering it, all without any goal posts being moved. Coaches do make the difference. That is the point of them.

 

[Swansman]

You don't half talk in riddles. Kane started to lose in towards the end of the Jose reign, lost it completely under Nuno and is now rediscovering it, all without any goal posts being moved. Coaches do make the difference. That is the point of them.

So what is the point of players? Why do clubs spend more than £1bn per season on buying players if coaches make the difference?

 

[Hamilton]

So what is the point of players? Why do clubs spend more than £1bn per season on buying players if coaches make the difference?

Because player wage inflation is out of control. You are conflating two separate matters.

 

[Swansman]

Because player wage inflation is out of control. You are conflating two separate matters.

No problem. Just stop spending so much money on players and spend it on what matters - the coach.

 

[Bold Seagull]

You don't half talk in riddles. Kane started to lose in towards the end of the Jose reign, lost it completely under Nuno and is now rediscovering it, all without any goal posts being moved. Coaches do make the difference. That is the point of them.

Kane averaged 1.5 goals per game under Mourinho, same as he is under Conte, same as he did under Pochettino. Nuno lost him only because of Levy holding Kane to his contract who went on a 3 month sulk. Basket case of a club. sacked the manager that gave them their best league finishes and a CL final. Pretty much in this case - the guy running the club makes a big difference.

Same with ManUtd, once you go down a path of blaming managers and not looking at the structure of the club, the transfer strategy, what that is delivering, then you'll just keep on changing.

 

[perseus]

Days of McCrab

Passing the ball around on the ege of their box, until we can engineer an opening, take advantage of a mistake, get lucky; rub of the green, fortunate deflection, referee

and/or an exceptional piece of skill or magic

or falling over and getting a free kick

our forwards, except for the departed Izquierdo, hardly have competence at shooting with their best foot even from 12 yards out from a stationary ball, so "I'll walk a million miles for one of your goals"

 

[Hamilton]

Kane averaged 1.5 goals per game under Mourinho, same as he is under Conte, same as he did under Pochettino. Nuno lost him only because of Levy holding Kane to his contract who went on a 3 month sulk. Basket case of a club. sacked the manager that gave them their best league finishes and a CL final. Pretty much in this case - the guy running the club makes a big difference.

Same with ManUtd, once you go down a path of blaming managers and not looking at the structure of the club, the transfer strategy, what that is delivering, then you'll just keep on changing.

I can't believe you are backing an argument that says coaches don't make a difference Bold. I'm sure you're not.

Conte is using the same Harry Kane who has been denied a transfer as Mourinho and Nuno. If you think Kane is playing as well under Conte as he did under the previous two bosses (and certainly the end of Jose's reign) then many Spurs fans will disagree.

I'm merely using this as an example.

Look at how Solly improved under Potter at first. That is not just down to the player.

I'm not saying Potter is a bad coach. I'm saying he's lost at the moment and he's not getting the best from the players he has.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I can't believe you are backing an argument that says coaches don't make a difference Bold. I'm sure you're not.

Conte is using the same Harry Kane who has been denied a transfer as Mourinho and Nuno. If you think Kane is playing as well under Conte as he did under the previous two bosses (and certainly the end of Jose's reign) then many Spurs fans will disagree.

I'm merely using this as an example.

Look at how Solly improved under Potter at first. That is not just down to the player.

I'm not saying Potter is a bad coach. I'm saying he's lost at the moment and he's not getting the best from the players he has.

I'm backing an argument that says coaches are part of a wider set of reasons for looking at why a football team may or may not be performing. Of course managers can make a difference, but this isn't always the case that a bad run of form equals failure of the manager. This is why we have form, and momentum and these things that we laud managers when they happen on the up, then want them sacked on the way down.

I'm sure GP does feel a bit lost at how his team can have 30 chances, 56 touches in the opposition box, be awarded a penalty, keep a clean sheet - and not win the game. I think everyone is probably feeling a bit lost. What I am saying is that it is far from a definitive conclusion it's down to the manager, especially when you consider other factors such as the depth of our squad, the number of goalscorers we've signed etc.

Manager's can have a huge impact on a team, but sometimes it just comes with a bit of luck and pieces falling in the right place. Look at Brentford, they were in the relegation vortex, they lost 7 of 8 games and drew the other. They're record from losing to us on Boxing Day was P11 W1 D1 L9. Then Eriksen falls in their lap. Thomas Frank has gone from huge question marks to genius. Fact is, Eriksen has tipped the balance for them, he's given them all the belief they needed to jump out of their rut. That isn't managerial, it's just football, sometimes stuff just works, they took a punt and wow, what a turnaround.

 

[Swansman]

I can't believe you are backing an argument that says coaches don't make a difference Bold. I'm sure you're not.

Conte is using the same Harry Kane who has been denied a transfer as Mourinho and Nuno. If you think Kane is playing as well under Conte as he did under the previous two bosses (and certainly the end of Jose's reign) then many Spurs fans will disagree.

I'm merely using this as an example.

Look at how Solly improved under Potter at first. That is not just down to the player.

I'm not saying Potter is a bad coach. I'm saying he's lost at the moment and he's not getting the best from the players he has.

Moving the goal posts again from "the difference" as you said before to "a difference"... two quite different things.

 

[Hamilton]

I'm backing an argument that says coaches are part of a wider set of reasons for looking at why a football team may or may not be performing. Of course managers can make a difference, but this isn't always the case that a bad run of form equals failure of the manager. This is why we have form, and momentum and these things that we laud managers when they happen on the up, then want them sacked on the way down.

I'm sure GP does feel a bit lost at how his team can have 30 chances, 56 touches in the opposition box, be awarded a penalty, keep a clean sheet - and not win the game. I think everyone is probably feeling a bit lost. What I am saying is that it is far from a definitive conclusion it's down to the manager, especially when you consider other factors such as the depth of our squad, the number of goalscorers we've signed etc.

Manager's can have a huge impact on a team, but sometimes it just comes with a bit of luck and pieces falling in the right place. Look at Brentford, they were in the relegation vortex, they lost 7 of 8 games and drew the other. They're record from losing to us on Boxing Day was P11 W1 D1 L9. Then Eriksen falls in their lap. Thomas Frank has gone from huge question marks to genius. Fact is, Eriksen has tipped the balance for them, he's given them all the belief they needed to jump out of their rut. That isn't managerial, it's just football, sometimes stuff just works, they took a punt and wow, what a turnaround.

I don't think anyone is saying anything different.
[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] is trying to play games with articles in order to keep this going.

Ferguson himself said that there was little he could do once the players had stepped onto the pitch. Before they stepped on the pitch I doubt that he would have said that he could make a difference or the difference. In fact, I imagine most United supporters would have said he was 'the' difference and players would have said he made 'a' difference.

 

[Luke93]

Should extend Potter to the coaching team in general. They and the players are equally responsible.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Will always click on the last one, it's the equivalent to drawing a knob for the sake of it