Billy the Fish
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[Football] Who's the best manager England have ever had?
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Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
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The Don isn't going to come out of this well.
The ****.
The ****.
papachris
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Alf Ramsey obviously the best because of winning the World Cup, but I was only 4 then so can't say I knew anything about it.
But the 1990 World Cup with Bobby Robson and his team. I think I've never known such passion and support for the England team like it was at that moment.
If you ever hear Pavarotti singing Nessun Dorma it takes you right back to that time
But the 1990 World Cup with Bobby Robson and his team. I think I've never known such passion and support for the England team like it was at that moment.
If you ever hear Pavarotti singing Nessun Dorma it takes you right back to that time
Sussexscots
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Ramsey. Single minded but tactically innovative. Didn't shirk the tough decision. Won the World Cup.
Sven, Capello or Robson. Maybe not in terms of their England tenures, but as managers they are certainly up there. Sven is the last manager to win a European cup with an amateur team. Capellos achievements in general speak for themselves. Robson was a very brave coach who kept himself at the top of the game until the end.
Alf Ramsay... heh. Stanley Rous won the World Cup for England, no one else. 1978 in Argentina aside, the 1966 World Cup is the cup where FIFA and refs put down the most effort to create unfair advantages for the home nation. Just watch the quarter final against Argentina and tell me it was a fair game... nah, the win in 1966 was prearranged. Counts for nothing. Going to the semi final in 1990 with a pretty poor squad was a much stronger achievement.
Alf Ramsay... heh. Stanley Rous won the World Cup for England, no one else. 1978 in Argentina aside, the 1966 World Cup is the cup where FIFA and refs put down the most effort to create unfair advantages for the home nation. Just watch the quarter final against Argentina and tell me it was a fair game... nah, the win in 1966 was prearranged. Counts for nothing. Going to the semi final in 1990 with a pretty poor squad was a much stronger achievement.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
He received massive criticism for leaving Jimmy Greaves out of the team for Alan Ball but it paid off.
Perfidious Albion
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There is an element of luck because if the clubs don’t produce English players , you’re hampered.
But surely SIR Alf Ramsey.. he won the World Cup when nobody had expected a victory. 2) Venables…
But surely SIR Alf Ramsey.. he won the World Cup when nobody had expected a victory. 2) Venables…
Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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Until the introduction of substitutes, never got his head round the concept of it.
Two prime examples
June 1970 vs West Germany at Leon in Mexico, Bobby Charlton had Beckenbauer in his pocket, and was by his own admission fine, Sir Alf took him off with 20 mins left, England 2-0 up and it changed the game.
October 73 vs Poland at Wembley, England needed to beat Poland and at 1-1 Derby’s quality striker Kevin Hector got 90 secs as a sub, and still had a chance!
For me it’s between Ramsey and Robson, you could argue the loss of Bryan Robson, then the most complete English footballer, at both the 86 and 90 tournament, where we narrowly lost to both the eventual winners, was a huge factor, we will never know if Robbo would have led England to World Cup glory twice?
The same could be said for Sir Alf, regardless of the Hector Poland scenario, what if Gordon Banks had been wearing a seatbelt when he crashed his car in 1972, he wouldn’t have gone through the windscreen, and therefore would have almost certainly been in goal for England in the qualifiers instead of Shilton?
We had arguably the strongest ever England squad at Mexico, but had we gone to West Germany in 74 that squad would have run the 1970 pretty close.
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Lenny Rider
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It was Greaves for Hurst? And Greaves later admitted he wasn’t match fit for the 66 final.
Yes, it was.
Considering we invented the game and now have the best and most exciting league in the world, 1966 being the only success in our history is underwhelming when you look at Germany and Italy with 4 World Cups and I can't be bothered to look at their Euro wins as well. France has in recent times had multiple world and euro titles as well.
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One has a 100% win record. You can't argue with the facts.
ManOfSussex
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It's actually Robson. After The FA sacked the league and world cup winning Ramsey only Birmingham City wanted him.
- Apr 5, 2014
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Not quite true. Ramsay effectively retired from management after that but Birmingham City persuaded him back a few years later.
bhadebenhams
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Dean Wilkins
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Uckfield Seagull
I too have gone for Sir Alf, simply because he done something no one else has, won some silverware.
But if you asked Greatest Albion Manager would it be between Mullery & Houghton, both took us to the promised land and in a way silverware, or RDZ who took us into Europe but won nothing.
Difficult question.
But if you asked Greatest Albion Manager would it be between Mullery & Houghton, both took us to the promised land and in a way silverware, or RDZ who took us into Europe but won nothing.
Difficult question.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Yeah because the winning margin was just one goal!Germany probably would have won the 1966 World Cup final as well if VAR had been in place