Who Will Moxey Ban This Time?

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

FAIR ENOUGH... but i must say, they happily bought us a beer or two, unlike them Coventry Wankers that nicked the round of beers i was buying off the bar....For that reason alone i hate them bastards as much as Palace....Well almost

i fuckin hate everyone mate

 

[Bakesy]

i fuckin hate everyone mate

You forgot the "GRRRRR"

 

[Starry]

I've had a couple of meetings with your mate Pete in recent weeks. He seems to be doing a fine job here, even if he has been somewhat economical with the truth on occasions since he took over as chairman.

The bubble trip: have you had any travel restrictions for any other matches this season? We have, and it's getting ridiculous now. The list so far this season has been as follows;

Leeds - bubble trip.
Hull - voucher exchange at service station instead of tickets (a sort of semi-bubble!).
Wolves - banned.
Spurs - voucher exchange.
Coventry (next week) - as above.

being economical with the truth is what my buddy does best.

the trip to cardiff is the only bubble game we have had. makes me chuckle there were 40k of us in cardiff in may if anyone wanted a pop and the police managed just fine and the weekend passed off peacefully. a fraction of those will be back for the league game and they all wet themselves.

we have not had bubble game but the home clubs have cut our allocations a lot because we are so naughty and more than a few of us is such an awful prospect. hull wanted to do a bubble game/voucher swap but bates told them to swivel last season, they mention it again this season but nothing came of it.

it is getting ridiculous. i didn't realise you have had so many games that have been ruined that way.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

It is getting ridiculous. i didn't realise you have had so many games that have been ruined that way.

The voucher exchange thing is so stupid it's untrue.

Instead of match tickets, we are given vouchers by our ticket office which have to be exchanged for tickets at a service station a few miles away from the ground we are playing at. However, we are allowed to travel independently, unlike the so-called bubble trips.

Coventry last season was the first time they tried this tactic. We had to meet the police at the services about three or four miles from Coventry, exchange the vouchers for tickets with our ticket office staff, then get back into the car and drive on to a pub in Coventry before going to the game.

The whole thing was a complete and utter waste of time and, other than making things awkward for those who travelled, I can't for the life of me see what it was supposed to achieve. Apart from having a brief, unscheduled stop at a service station, it was just like a normal away game.

The bit that really made it annoying was that we had been to Coventry in each of the previous three seasons without any problems whatsoever, but these restrictions were imposed because there had been trouble at Wolves!

As there were no problems at Coventry (for the fourth year running), it seems the police deemed their strange operation a success, so we've had the same restrictions imposed this season for games at Hull, Spurs and Coventry next week.

 

[Commander]

The voucher exchange thing is so stupid it's untrue.

Instead of match tickets, we are given vouchers by our ticket office which have to be exchanged for tickets at a service station a few miles away from the ground we are playing at. However, we are allowed to travel independently, unlike the so-called bubble trips.

Coventry last season was the first time they tried this tactic. We had to meet the police at the services about three or four miles from Coventry, exchange the vouchers for tickets with our ticket office staff, then get back into the car and drive on to a pub in Coventry before going to the game.

The whole thing was a complete and utter waste of time and, other than making things awkward for those who travelled, I can't for the life of me see what it was supposed to achieve. Apart from having a brief, unscheduled stop at a service station, it was just like a normal away game.

The bit that really made it annoying was that we had been to Coventry in each of the previous three seasons without any problems whatsoever, but these restrictions were imposed because there had been trouble at Wolves!

As there were no problems at Coventry (for the fourth year running), it seems the police deemed their strange operation a success, so we've had the same restrictions imposed this season for games at Hull, Spurs and Coventry next week.

What is the point of these voucher exchange things? Is it just to stop people getting the train and hanging around afterwards?

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

What is the point of these voucher exchange things? Is it just to stop people getting the train and hanging around afterwards?

No idea.

It makes things difficult for train travellers and exiled fans, but for those of us who either travel on coaches or in cars it is merely a slight inconvenience.

The whole thing is so stupid it's untrue. When we got to the services at Coventry last year there were hundreds of police milling around, but even they didn't seem sure as to why they were there or what they were supposed to do.

We parked up, got out of the car, strolled over to a van where our ticket office staff were situated, exchanged our vouchers for a match ticket, got back in the car and drove off to a pub.

What was the point?

 

[Man of Harveys]

So the main people moaning about how nastily and unfairly they get treated at Wolves are...erm, the ever-angelic followers of Cardiff City and Leeds United...purlease...

 

[Albion Rob]

Bubble trips?

Is this where supporters are shepherded around by the police all day long to stop them meeting other football supporters?

I didn't hear Leeds fans complaining about the police being all over them after that FA Cup tie a few years back....

 

[Tooting Gull]

TLB, anyone reading these posts who is a decent fan just trying to spend a lot of money going away to support their team will have some sympathy for all this, it sounds a nightmare.

But what would you do to root out the nutters in the Cardiff support? The reputation is not ill deserved over a number of years. Is it not possible that in the same way we had to be banned from European club football in the late 80s, something has to be done for your lot?

I understand your being angry. What I don't quite understand - and I'm sure this is what the authorities WANT to happen - is why decent Cardiff fans aren't getting so pissed off with being treated like this that they help identify and drive out the idiots themselves, rather than keep being treated like this. If you directed your anger at the nutters rather than away chairmen, you'd get a better result.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

Bubble trips? Is this where supporters are shepherded around by the police all day long to stop them meeting other football supporters?

These are high-security trips where the only method of travel allowed is official alcohol-free coaches run by either the club itself or the official supporters clubs. No match tickets are issued in advance. Fans are instead given vouchers.

These vouchers are exchanged for tickets at a service station on the outskirts of the town, and the coaches are then escorted to the ground from there.

We've had these restrictions for games at West Ham, Bristol City, Leeds, Hull, Stoke and Millwall in recent years. Leeds has been the only bubble trip we've had this season. The restrictions were lifted for Stoke a couple of years ago, and that is now considered a low-risk game from a security point of view.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

But what would you do to root out the nutters in the Cardiff support?

The club itself and the official supporters' clubs have taken many, many steps in an attempt to solve the hooliganism problem in recent years. What would you do?

 

[Tooting Gull]

The club itself and the official supporters' clubs have taken many, many steps in an attempt to solve the hooliganism problem in recent years. What would you do?

I'm not moaning about my treatment. It's your problem. What you've tried hasn't worked, clearly. So you need something else.

'Shop a violent wanker' leafleting campaign?

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

So the main people moaning about how nastily and unfairly they get treated at Wolves are...

Cardiff fans didn't get nastily or unfairly treated at Wolves this year. We weren't allowed to go.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

I'm not moaning about my treatment. It's your problem. What you've tried hasn't worked, clearly. So you need something else.

'Shop a violent wanker' leafleting campaign?

That'll work.....

 

[Man of Harveys]

That'll work.....

Rather than being so glib and dismissive about it, why not answer his question when you're increasingly desperate for support for this non-event of a very justifiable ban - exactly what have these decent Cardiff fans EVER done about the sizable amount of nutters in their midst?

What have these decent Cardiff fans EVER done at times when, for example, your old chairman was standing proudly shoulder to shoulder with some of your gang of hoolies and having his photo taken with them?

Your club is reaping what it's sown, sadly. So there we are.

 

[Albion Rob]

The club itself and the official supporters' clubs have taken many, many steps in an attempt to solve the hooliganism problem in recent years. What would you do?

I'm not sure what I would do but the police and clubs such as Wolves seem to have taken things into their own hands, suggesting they do not feel the clubs' efforts are sufficient.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just the way the land seems to lie at the moment.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

Your club is reaping what it's sown, sadly. So there we are.

You obviously have no clue about this issue. No idea whatsoever. No concept at all of what it is like to follow a club that does have a hooligan problem. And that's a no surprise as the club you support is about as about as safe and cosy as any other in the Football League.

What have the decent Cardiff fans ever done to combat the problem of hooliganism? It's difficult to know where to start really. Were you aware that representatives of our club's two main supporters clubs travel all over the country to meet with police and safety officers of the clubs we are visiting in advance of every away game? Were you aware that the dialogue between the fans' groups and the local police is almost constant? Do you know anything at all about the measures that Cardiff City FC and its supporters take to combat hooliganism on a weekly basis?

I doubt it.

 

[sten_super]

I agree with MoH, and I think the parties involved (the Cardiff fans and the Football Supporters Federation who organised the rally in Birmingham) have been far too quick to turn the blame onto the police and Wolves. I realise that police do cause problems at games, and WM police don't quite seem to know how to handle violence at games, but to simply say "we shouldn't have been banned, it's all their fault" is both nieve and silly. Bans like this should have the effect of turning the fans against the hooligans; it should encourage you to shop these people to the police or the relevant authorities. But no you'd rather blame everyone else, and continue to ignore any in your midst who may be causing trouble.

Incidentally I sent a letter with similar points to the chairman of the FSF over two weeks ago, and surprisingly (or not) got no reply.

 

[Albion Rob]

You obviously have no clue about this issue. No idea whatsoever. No concept at all of what it is like to follow a club that does have a hooligan problem. And that's a no surprise as the club you support is about as about as safe and cosy as any other in the Football League.

What have the decent Cardiff fans ever done to combat the problem of hooliganism? It's difficult to know where to start really. Were you aware that representatives of our club's two main supporters clubs travel all over the country to meet with police and safety officers of the clubs we are visiting in advance of every away game? Were you aware that the dialogue between the fans' groups and the local police is almost constant? Do you know anything at all about the measures that Cardiff City FC and its supporters take to combat hooliganism on a weekly basis?

I doubt it.

I can see what you're getting at in terms of liaison with other groups but I think what Harveys means is what about Cardiff fan to Cardiff fan. Sort of like: "Hey guys, these thuggy blokes are really wrecking our days out, why don't we rat on them to the police, then they won't be able to get anywhere near any games any more, everyone else will calm down and there will be no more brutality from WM Police, no more away match bans and best of all, no more bubble trips."

Perhaps this has already gone on, Stoke's one seems to have been quite effective if games at the Brit are now low risk.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

Incidentally I sent a letter with similar points to the chairman of the FSF over two weeks ago, and surprisingly (or not) got no reply.

Yes. I read it. It was a load of self-righteous bollocks. You obviously didn't have a clue what you were talking about with regard to the incidents at Wolves last March.