Who will be the next leader of the Conservative party?

[Not Andy Naylor]

How have so many leading democracies got such a (perceived) poor pool of politicians to choose from? Is it too much to ask for to have a high level of personality, conviction and integrity? Why do so many lack one or even two of these traits? I didn't vote LD but we could really do with a few more Vince Cables, glad he's back in politics. But for every Vince, there's an Emily Thornberry, Diane Abbot, George Asbourne, Michael Gove etc. It seems Politics no longer attracts statesmen and women like those we saw in the 20th century. And the biggest example of this is Trump. Instead we more often than not get Sarkosy's, Belesconi's and Johnson's...absolute self serving buffoons whose legacy is chaos. The world is crying out for leadership - has politics become so toxic that no ones interested anymore, of any great quality?

People of real talent have better things to do. I know everyone moans when MPs get pay rises, but you can earn more in many other fields and without the grief from the media.

 

[larus]

People of real talent have better things to do. I know everyone moans when MPs get pay rises, but you can earn more in many other fields and without the grief from the media.

The Prime Minister is paid £150,402 a year. This includes the basic salary for a member of parliament which is currently £74,962. It doesn't factor in the value of the Prime Minister's flat in Downing Street, or her other official residences.

Frighteningly small amount of money. I know, compared to the average wage it's high, but compared to the directors of many SME's it's not much. They do it for the other 'jobs' they can get IMO. The Non-Exec roles etc.

 

[brakespear]

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oh, you beat me to it

edit (after reading further): OK, fair play maybe [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] didn't say ALL Labour voters. But fed of reading people complaining about insults etc when the amount of stick that was given out following the referendum/previous election etc was just as bad, if not worse. Not that I care but just for the sake of balance

 

[pb21]

I don't recall Labour supporters being critical of Labour policies.

If I hadn’t read any of your other posts before I would assume you were being continuing to be deliberately ironic as it would be the far most likely and logical conclusion.

As it is I have, and can only conclude that you are by far the most blinkered poster on this forum, and that is saying something!

 

[Surf's Up]

Being opening critical of a Conservative Prime Minister before her disastrous election result and subsequently voting Lib Dem are probably going to hold me back there. Perhaps I should just delete all my posts from NSC to minimise the number of skeletons in my closet should I toss my hat into the ring.

Au contraire - under the "new" politics ushered in by J Corbyn and just about to be embraced by the blues these are excellent credentials for the new breed of one nation Tory!! Bozza and Boris anyone?!!

 

[larus]

If I hadn’t read any of your other posts before I would assume you were being continuing to be deliberately ironic as it would be the far most likely and logical conclusion.

As it is I have, and can only conclude that you are by far the most blinkered poster on this forum, and that is saying something!

Hmm, so you think you're read ALL of my posts on the forum eh! Wow, you're either a stalker or a sad git with no life. I can't say that I remember reading any of yours apart from you trying to have a dig at me on this thread.

Anyway, I know what I said and I never said all Labour supporters; if the wording was not in plain enough English for you then that is really not my fault. You need to take some responsibility for your own at interpreting language.

Anyway, I'm out of here now - can't be bothered discussing something with someone so blinded in his views.

 

[junior]

Boris Johnson

 

[pb21]

Hmm, so you think you're read ALL of my posts on the forum eh! Wow, you're either a stalker or a sad git with no life. I can't say that I remember reading any of yours apart from you trying to have a dig at me on this thread.

Anyway, I know what I said and I never said all Labour supporters; if the wording was not in plain enough English for you then that is really not my fault. You need to take some responsibility for your own at interpreting language.

Anyway, I'm out of here now - can't be bothered discussing something with someone so blinded in his views.

Where did I say I had read all you posts, or even say that I thought I had read all your posts?!

I know what you said it's quoted above in other posts and below:

What is so f*cking annoying on here is the pathetic, blinkered comments from a lot on both sides.

I will also admit that the Tories have made mistakes in the past; yet I can't recall seeing that from Labour supporters.

I don't recall Labour supporters being critical of Labour policies.

Its clear as day and worded very plainly, and I interpret it as you not recalling Labour supporters being critical of Labour policies, or admitting Labour's mistakes. And that you think that what is so f*cking annoying on here is the pathetic, blinkered comments from a lot on both sides, which is rank hypocrisy.

 

[WATFORD zero]

How have so many leading democracies got such a (perceived) poor pool of politicians to choose from? Is it too much to ask for to have a high level of personality, conviction and integrity? Why do so many lack one or even two of these traits?

I would hazard a guess that it may be because a large number of the electorate in these democracies are easily led, (I was going to say shallow and fickle, but refrained ) and would never stick with a politician that has a high level of conviction and integrity ?

 

[Triggaaar]

Au contraire - under the "new" politics ushered in by J Corbyn and just about to be embraced by the blues these are excellent credentials for the new breed of one nation Tory!! Bozza and Boris anyone?!!

Boris? No thanks.

Will I rule out standing for the leadership?
I have not considered standing for the leadership.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Even if she finds a safe seat, the Tory party membership is staunchly anti-EU and I'm not sure they'd find her acceptable.

The Tory Party is NOT staunchly anti-EU. The definition of "staunch" is very loyal and committed in attitude, yet for 49 out of the last 50 years the majority of the Tory Party have favoured the EU, including all of the previous 4 Tory Prime Ministers.

The Tories can take or leave the EU depending on what's in it for them and where the votes are, and I can see they would quite easily return to the EU fold 'en masse' if there was no deal and subsequent economic hardship and / or if the subject of free movement got sorted.

 

[Baker lite]

It'll be some ****.

 

[BensGrandad]

I think it will be a young unknown MP who is seen to have potential in much the same way as Cameron arrived on the scene as I do not remember much being shouted about him prior to his appointment.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Boris Johnson

.. is a deeply divisive figure. When the times comes, he'll run for sure but I'd be very surprised if he were to win. There is no obvious successor which is why May could be around for longer than many first thought. What else are they going to do? If they boot May out soon, there's a leadership race followed by a general election which they would probably not win. So she's been quite clever by bringing everyone who will run into the cabinet, Rudd, Davies, Johnson, Hammond, and the old enemy Gove, keep your friends close etc If it all falls apart, or should that be, WHEN, Brexit and the economy goes wrong, they will all be tarred with the same brush.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I was reading that Ruth Davidson is keen to break away the Scottish Tories from the UK Conservative and Unionist Party, so this won't endear her to Central Office and being Scottish and lesbian may not play well with the older members of the Tory rank and file.

Indeed, she's not only doing a fine job in Scotland but she did so well by gaining 12 seats she probably made the difference between Theresa May clinging on to power and a Corbyn-led coalition getting into No. 10.

 

[Gritt23]

Man of the people ... Jacob Rees Mogg.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

People of real talent have better things to do. I know everyone moans when MPs get pay rises, but you can earn more in many other fields and without the grief from the media.

Indeed, for most of my career I earned more than a politician, and I would say I was only average at my job.

I've said for a long time that MPs should be paid more, get less expenses and not be allowed to hold other paid positions while they are serving MPs. They're welcome to earn as much as they like after leaving office.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The Tories have got to find someone with a broader appeal - especially to the younger voters. Gove and Johnson would go down like a lead balloon, for different reasons. I can't think of an obvious candidate - but Ruth Davidson (if she gets a Westminster seat) would tick a lot of boxes.

Was I wrong to laugh so hard at the last part of your post that I almost blew my left testicle out of my back side?

 

[Ron Manager]

Was I wrong to laugh so hard at the last part of your post that I almost blew my left testicle out of my back side?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think it will be a young unknown MP who is seen to have potential in much the same way as Cameron arrived on the scene as I do not remember much being shouted about him prior to his appointment.

He wrote Michael Howard's (very right wing) manifesto that was twatted aside by Mr Tony, and decided to run for leader as the Tory Tony. He was very certainly part of the inner circle and very much not an anonymous back bencher.

Very hard to come from nowhere in the Tory party. they are traditional, hierarchical and resistant to flash harrys (which is how Boris is still seen by many in Westminster).

No, it will be a dullard.