(White) Welsh rugby player Liam Williams goes to fancy dress party as...

[wehatepalace]

What a load of shite, he would have made a rubbish Wilfried Bony if he left his skin white.
What if Wilfried Bony went to a fancy dress party as Liam Williams ? I guarantee there would be far less do gooders playing the racist card than there is now.

 

[BadFish]

So if a black man dresses as a white man, including make up, is he a racist?

the old reverse racism point, personally i think this fella sums it up quite nicely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M

 

[BadFish]

It amazes me that people still do stuff like this and are surprised by the reaction. Surely by now everyone knows that people get upset about white people blacking up.

 

[Soulman]

Yep, should have either gone to the fancy dress do as a white Bony, just had his name on the back of the shirt to make sure people knew who he was. I reckon he would have won first prize with that.
I was going to go to a fancy dress bash as Suarez, but thought the big teeth may offend rabbits or chipmunks or even Janet Street Porter......i doubt it though.
I actually thought the idea of going to a fancy dress party was to go looking like somebody, seems not.

 

[Wilko]

What the **** am I reading?! Why the hell has this even come to a thread on NSC (not a dig at op as he's highlighting people have been 'offended'). He's chosen someone to go as in fancy dress. The idea of fancy dress is you try to look like the person you're going as. He's whote do needed to make his skin darker. Is there a fecking story here?! No. Absolutely pathetic.

If I went to a fancy dress party as an Orange and painted my face Orange is that offensive too?

Spot on.

 

[Soulman]

What the **** am I reading?! Why the hell has this even come to a thread on NSC (not a dig at op as he's highlighting people have been 'offended'). He's chosen someone to go as in fancy dress. The idea of fancy dress is you try to look like the person you're going as. He's whote do needed to make his skin darker. Is there a fecking story here?! No. Absolutely pathetic.

If I went to a fancy dress party as an Orange and painted my face Orange is that offensive too?

I daresay David Dickenson from Bargain Hunt might be offended. Well actually probably not him, as in the case of Bony, but plenty offended for him though.

 

[Wilko]

the old reverse racism point, personally i think this fella sums it up quite nicely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M

WTF is reverse racism? Racism is racism in whatever direction it goes. REVERSE racism suggests that racism can only be white to black. Utter nonsense. This is not directed at you by the way, it is just the term I despise.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Women have been subject to centuries of prejudice by men in different cultures around the world.

The logic that follows is that men dressing up as women "for entertainment" should also be banned?

Good luck with that by the way...........

You, I and any one with half a brain cell knows that it's different. When a man dresses up as a woman he may wear women's clothes but his characteristics and mannerisms often remain distinctly male. The joke isn't "oh what a funny woman" the joke is "That man's wearing a dress". The man is the subject of the joke and that is the difference, a difference you clearly can't distinguish. When a white man donned the make up of a minstrel the joke wasn't at the expense of him it was the expense of black people. How you and other people can't grasp this simple concept it beyond me.

 

[Soulman]

You, I and any one with half a brain cell knows that it's different. When a man dresses up as a woman he may wear women's clothes but his characteristics and mannerisms often remain distinctly male. The joke isn't "oh what a funny woman" the joke is "That man's wearing a dress". The man is the subject of the joke and that is the difference, a difference you clearly can't distinguish. When a white man donned the make up of a minstrel the joke wasn't at the expense of him it was the expense of black people. How you and other people can't grasp this simple concept it beyond me.

Why keep harping back to the Minstrels, nothing to do with Williams going to a fancy dress party as a Bony lookalike. You just had to bring something that happened decades ago, was stopped decades ago and is not relevant to this case.
Bony has stated he was not offended, i think you have been offended enough for him.

 

[BadFish]

WTF is reverse racism? Racism is racism in whatever direction it goes. REVERSE racism suggests that racism can only be white to black. Utter nonsense. This is not directed at you by the way, it is just the term I despise.

I agree with you to a point if you take away the weight of history however after a couple of hundred years of slavery and oppression I think racism definitely works more one way than the other. As Aamer alludes to here.

 

[Wilko]

I agree with you to a point if you take away the weight of history however after a couple of hundred years of slavery and oppression I think racism definitely works more one way than the other. As Aamer alludes to here.

Believe me, as a white man living in Kenya I can confirm that racism from black to white is very much alive.

 

[zeemeeuw]

It amazes me that people still do stuff like this and are surprised by the reaction. Surely by now everyone knows that people get upset about white people blacking up.

You've obviously never gone to Holland during the festive period then:View attachment 61081

 

[BadFish]

Believe me, as a white man living in Kenya I can confirm that racism from black to white is very much alive.

I am sure it is.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Why keep harping back to the Minstrels, nothing to do with Williams going to a fancy dress party as a Bony lookalike. You just had to bring something that happened decades ago, was stopped decades ago and is not relevant to this case.
Bony has stated he was not offended, i think you have been offended enough for him.

I bring it up because it'a relevent whether you like it or not. You ask why are people are offended and I give you a possible answer as to why they might be. You may be able to shrug off something that lasted the best part of one hundred years but it is evident a lot of people can't and obviously some people remember this when someone dons black face today.

 

[Bad Ash]

I went to a Xmas do that had a wild west fancy dress theme for my triathlon club the other week. The chairman of the club went as an (American) Indian and had a applied a make-up tan which I believe came with the costume. No-one batted an eyelid to this, though I did wonder to myself whether it was an acceptable costume, yet it's exactly the same as this scenario except for 2 things: it was a different race involved and he wasn't famous. I wonder which of these made it acceptable?

 

[BadFish]

Why keep harping back to the Minstrels, nothing to do with Williams going to a fancy dress party as a Bony lookalike. You just had to bring something that happened decades ago, was stopped decades ago and is not relevant to this case.
Bony has stated he was not offended, i think you have been offended enough for him.

To understand why some people find this stuff offensive you have to see it in its historical context. People seem to be confused about why people are offended by this stuff, the answer is that within its historical context it is offensive to some.

These threads pop up fairly regularly and the same question is asked and answered. I find it interesting that our mainly white NSC membership feel it is up to them to decide what other people are allowed to be offended by and for what reasons.

 

[User removed 4]

Yes they do. Unfortunately the world is full of truly ignorant people who have no ability to empathise.

The irony is you don't realise you're one of them.

 

[El Presidente]

Believe me, as a white man living in Kenya I can confirm that racism from black to white is very much alive.

Does it involve comments about your WILLY size?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

The irony is you don't realise you're one of them.

Yeah, considering the picture that accompanies your posts I'm going to take that with a pinch of salt...

 

[Soulman]

To understand why some people find this stuff offensive you have to see it in its historical context. People seem to be confused about why people are offended by this stuff, the answer is that within its historical context it is offensive to some.

These threads pop up fairly regularly and the same question is asked and answered. I find it interesting that our mainly white NSC membership feel it is up to them to decide what other people are allowed to be offended by and for what reasons.

The person in question in this instance was not offended.
Liam Williams, 23, posted picture of himself dressed as Wilfried Bony
Williams said Bony gave the costume his blessing after criticism