[Albion] Which players aren’t good enough for the Graham Potter revolution?

[vagabond]

Still think Propper and Dale, along with Duffy and Glenn will be on their way this summer. Good pros and all the best to them, but the club moves on.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Murray, Duffy, Stephens, March have all helped us to safety over recent games, and in tonight' match the extra height off the bench helped combat the physicality of Carroll and Joelinton. If those two depart we'll lose height at set pieces.

However, if we are to progress I don't think we can start three or more of Gross, Mooy, Propper and Stephens. Squadwise, Lallana would be a nice early addition.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Good bounce. This should have happened after Saints but better late than never........(sorry lads)

I also feel you want your goalie to make some worldies.

Love the guy, but he is not a top tier goal keeper in my opinion. Does not make enough worldie saves.

But, when was the last time Ryan made a save that you thought, “no way - how did he get near to that”?

Over the course of three seasons Ryan Has been very good with the ball at his feet and has distributed well. I wouldn’t say he’s a brilliant shot stopper but for where are, overall we are lucky to have him.

 

[Reddleman]

Dan Burn must not be left back next season. I really like the big fella but when we play with no natural wingers we need full backs than bomb on, we now have one on the right and need one on the left. Burn would be a good bench option as could cover left back and centre half positions but he cannot be a starter.

Based on that and with White incoming it’s sad to say but Duffy must move on as he will want first team football.

Stephens is a good squad player and should be retained, we need depth but we do need an upgrade. Propper should likewise become more of a fringe player so maybe one needs to move on.

Connolly needs a loan somewhere, he’s just not quite ready.

Sadly I think it’s time for Gross to move on. He’s been my favourite player since we came to the premier league but just not combined with Trossard, Mooy, Alzate and new signings he will be too far down the pecking order.

Ali J should stay but won’t as we need an actual winger somewhere and March flatters to deceive and Izzy is never fit.

Murray to stay on and play a Bruno type role for final season.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Good bounce. This should have happened after Saints but better late than never........(sorry lads)

Yes - good bounce.

And a brilliant save, possibly the best save by any keeper this season.

However, that doesn't change the fact (well fact in my mind) there haven't that many like that this season.

Still think we need better (but its down the list of requirements), and one save doesn't change that - remember Gary Sprake?

Edit - Not Fraser Forster or Walton

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yes - good bounce.

And a brilliant save, nothing changes the fact (well fact in my mind) there haven't that many like that this season.

Possibly the best save by any keeper this season.

Still think we need better (but its down the list of requirements), and one save doesn't change that - remember Gary Sprake?

Honestly, I think Ryan suits our requirements well (for now). We're very much a crowd and block defence at times and his reflexes suit that. And, as I posted earlier on the thread, his distribution is excellent. Everyone's after a sweeper keeper these days.

Didn't Sprake chuck it in his own net or something? Just before my time.

 

[Weststander]

The vast majority seem to have their favourites amongst Propper, Gross, Montoya and Mooy. Almost a crime to mention repeated failings in any one of them.

They can’t all be a top ten/higher mid table players, if we’ve fallen short, failed to win the vast majority of our matches and diced with relegation.

To progress, sentiment won’t come into it, better players will come in, to replace one or two fans favourites.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Honestly, I think Ryan suits our requirements well (for now). We're very much a crowd and block defence at times and his reflexes suit that. And, as I posted earlier on the thread, his distribution is excellent. Everyone's after a sweeper keeper these days.

Didn't Sprake chuck it in his own net or something? Just before my time.

Yes he did.

And yes, I think we agree re your opening sentence. Not sure he's as good as Stocko distribution wise, but he is good though from that perspective.

Need to sort out the attack - we seem very limited width wise, and to create holes you do have to make the pitch big at times.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Didn't Ryan make a save low down to his left today? I though he NEVER made saves to his left OR low down.

He'd have been disappointed to let that one in. Not sure I've read the low down and left thing though.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yes he did.

And yes, I think we agree re your opening sentence. Not sure he's as good as Stocko distribution wise, but he is good though from that perspective.

Need to sort out the attack - we seem very limited width wise, and to create holes you do have to make the pitch big at times.

And defintely agree with your last sentence

It's odd that Poyet played possession football and wanted the pitch at The Amex as big as possible as a result. Potter also plays possession (when it suits) but our midfield is horribly narrow and Lamptey often tucks in too much.

 

[Stat Brother]

He'd have been disappointed to let that one in. Not sure I've read the low down and left thing though.

Oh it's here but in the aftermath of Southampton you're unlikely to see it again, any time soon.

 

[albionalex]

They can’t all be a top ten/higher mid table players, if we’ve fallen short, failed to win the vast majority of our matches and diced with relegation.

Sorry, what were your expectations for this season? Top 10?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

The vast majority seem to have their favourites amongst Propper, Gross, Montoya and Mooy. Almost a crime to mention repeated failings in any one of them.

They can’t all be a top ten/higher mid table players, if we’ve fallen short, failed to win the vast majority of our matches and diced with relegation.

To progress, sentiment won’t come into it, better players will come in, to replace one or two fans favourites.

Good post [MENTION=21158]Weststander[/MENTION]


I like Gross and Stephens for example, am a little fence re Propper since the restart, and simply don't get Mooy.

Stephens just sits effectively. Are there better players at doing that? Of course, but he's steady and again played well tonight.
Gross, just needs to be allowed to roam behind Maupay, as he is just not fast enough to play out wide. He's very intelligent in footballing terms.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

And defintely agree with your last sentence

It's odd that Poyet played possession football and wanted the pitch at The Amex as big as possible as a result. Potter also plays possession (when it suits) but our midfield is horribly narrow and Lamptey often tucks in too much.

Yes good point. I wonder if Cochrane is the solution on the left. I was so please to see him on the bench and then disappointed that we weren't in a position to give him a game.

I think Trossard needs to be wider too....

 

[sparkie]

We've already got a mini evolution with Kayal and Schelotto going, and Molumby and White joining the squad.
We also have no idea what Potter feels about Gyökeres, but the club signed him up for 3 years last summer.

I don't see too much more booting out of players this summer, but I expect at least 1 of Button and Steele to go. I wouldn't be surprised now if we have seen the end of Jahanbakhsh and Duffy. And who knows whether Murray will be happy to stay as 4th striker ?

Left back is a problem. I hope Cochrane gets a run out vs Burnley. You never know if that will lead to great things.

Central midfield needs freshening up beyond the addition of Molumby.

And a striker. It is always a striker.

 

[Stat Brother]

The problem with this and all the other similar threads we've had since the restart is the miserablists are never going to be appeased.

The squad will evolve over the next few windows, 4 or 5 first team regulars won't be leaving after Sunday.


So those fans getting all pissy about Gross, Mooy, Propper, Ryan, March, Stephens, Murray are still going to be pissy next season.
They're going to bang their drum when it's convenient to do so and remain silent when it isn't.


T'is the way of the NSC world.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

The vast majority seem to have their favourites amongst Propper, Gross, Montoya and Mooy. Almost a crime to mention repeated failings in any one of them.

They can’t all be a top ten/higher mid table players, if we’ve fallen short, failed to win the vast majority of our matches and diced with relegation.

To progress, sentiment won’t come into it, better players will come in, to replace one or two fans favourites.

Indeed, none of those players highlighted (and a few others) are top ten PL players. But there again, we won't be top 10 next season. It's a transition and their longevity will depend who we buy late summer. I can't see beyond bottom 6 next season but a few quality buys might push that up a couple or so places.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Indeed, none of those players highlighted (and a few others) are top ten PL players. But there again, we won't be top 10 next season. It's a transition and their longevity will depend who we buy late summer. I can't see beyond bottom 6 next season but a few quality buys might push that up a couple or so places.

How can you say we won't be top 10 next season when a shit Palace side were 9th after 30 games? Watford wereTop 10 last season and could get relegated this season. Yes, top eight very unlikely but 9th or 10th definitely achievable wth Lamptey and White for a whole season.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

And defintely agree with your last sentence

It's odd that Poyet played possession football and wanted the pitch at The Amex as big as possible as a result. Potter also plays possession (when it suits) but our midfield is horribly narrow and Lamptey often tucks in too much.

Lamptey was open most of the first half on the touch line but we don’t seem to have the confidence to play a 30 yard diagonal pass.


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[Invicta]

We are not far away from being a decent side, look at the points we could or should have had but for fine margins. 3 or 4 changes on top of the evolution over this season and next year could be very different I think.