[Politics] Which British Prime Minister had the most profund effect on your life?

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

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Good lord,Warren Aspinall is looking old now.
He does dress well though and the tache suits him.

 

[Baker lite]

Has to be call Me Dave, calling the EU referendum was a defining moment on my life. Marvellous scenes.

 

[timbha]

And also the opportunity to mention all the things that Johnson has got wrong, although to go through everything would no doubt have taken until the girls 5th birthday.

She’s 4 years old. Why burden her with such worries?

 

[Eeyore]

Blair- lying warmongering POS that ruined the economy

The economy grew in every year under Blair's leadership.

 

[vagabond]

God no. None of ‘em.

Silly business.

 

[Miami Seagull]

Did someone, somewhere, say he personally introduced Covid

He was late introducing lockdowns (3 times)
Late introducing testing
Didn't prioritise Carehomes
Late introducing quarantine for entries to the UK
Still waiting for a working track and trace
Put out numerous contracts out to suppliers with no history of anything except links to his Government
Put early orders in for vaccines

He decided to campaign to Leave the EU purely for his own career
He decided to push ahead with it in the middle of a Pandemic
He introduced a border between NI and the rest of the UK
He negotiated a 'deal' that is unimplementable
He has no plan for getting us out of this unsustainable position that he has now put us in
The economy continues to crash as a result of his deal
The economic impact of what he has done hasn't even started
Has just pushed through a law to allow us to trade with countries undertaking genocide (last night)

You're right though, he didn't personally introduce Covid

But then again, no surprise you're backing him in your post.

I don't disagree with a lot you have to say, but there has to be balance. if he is responsible for everything above then he is also responsible for:

a. Overseeing the worlds most effective vaccination program, saving countless lives
b. Campaigning to leave the EU and seeing Brexit to its conclusion, which has resulted in the ability to do a) above

 

[maltaseagull]

Did someone, somewhere, say he personally introduced Covid

He was late introducing lockdowns (3 times)
Late introducing testing
Didn't prioritise Carehomes
Late introducing quarantine for entries to the UK
Still waiting for a working track and trace
Put out numerous contracts out to suppliers with no history of anything except links to his Government
Put early orders in for vaccines

He decided to campaign to Leave the EU purely for his own career
He decided to push ahead with it in the middle of a Pandemic
He introduced a border between NI and the rest of the UK
He negotiated a 'deal' that is unimplementable
He has no plan for getting us out of this unsustainable position that he has now put us in
The economy continues to crash as a result of his deal
The economic impact of what he has done hasn't even started
Has just pushed through a law to allow us to trade with countries undertaking genocide (last night)

You're right though, he didn't personally introduce Covid

But then again, no surprise you're backing him in your post.

And, of course you knew better from January last year just like the opposition.
I am not actually backing him. I just think that he did make a lot of mistakes but who actually at the time told him he was wrong?

You are just so blinded, no matter what, you will always support Labour in all they do and oppose the Tories. I have voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past. Have you ever voted conservative?

 

[Jim in the West]

I don't disagree with a lot you have to say, but there has to be balance. if he is responsible for everything above then he is also responsible for:

a. Overseeing the worlds most effective vaccination program, saving countless lives
b. Campaigning to leave the EU and seeing Brexit to its conclusion, which has resulted in the ability to do a) above

I hesitate to open up the whole Brexit debate again...BUT....we would have been completely free to do our own thing on the vaccination front, whether in or out of the EU. Just as were completely free to take steps to implement timely lockdowns, introduce early quarantine regs, set up a decent track and trace system, etc, etc. Being in the EU wouldn't have stopped us doing the good things, and being out of the EU hasn't stopped us doing the bad things!

 

[Titanic]

I hesitate to open up the whole Brexit debate again...BUT....we would have been completely free to do our own thing on the vaccination front, whether in or out of the EU. Just as were completely free to take steps to implement timely lockdowns, introduce early quarantine regs, set up a decent track and trace system, etc, etc. Being in the EU wouldn't have stopped us doing the good things, and being out of the EU hasn't stopped us doing the bad things!

It does seem to have stopped any of the remaining EU members from 'doing the good things' with regards to vaccinations.

 

[Coldeanseagull]

Tory all the way for me, doesn't matter which one. Has allowed me to own my own home, work for myself, tell unions to go stuff themselves and has put food on the table without being told by socialists to share. It's all about me and my family you see, I don't want community or to be part of the greater good. I'll shop where I like, when I like and buy what I like. I don't give handouts nor would I expect them.
Righto, that should be just enough water thrown on the hot oil to see a few heads explode

 

[Lenny Rider]

But overall worth it so people could gabble on in local newspapers?

Dick you don't have to read it old boy.

I just enjoy doing it

 

[Stato]

Tory all the way for me, doesn't matter which one. Has allowed me to own my own home, work for myself, tell unions to go stuff themselves and has put food on the table without being told by socialists to share. It's all about me and my family you see, I don't want community or to be part of the greater good. I'll shop where I like, when I like and buy what I like. I don't give handouts nor would I expect them.
Righto, that should be just enough water thrown on the hot oil to see a few heads explode

You'll be driving to the shops on the roads owned by you and your family then?

 

[Happy Exile]

It's hard to think of a Prime Minister whose decisions will have a more long lasting and negative impact on the country than David Cameron. I know a few old school Tories who felt their party was unrecognisable as being Conservative under Cameron, and for whom Johnson is the final straw. Funny how tribal politics is though that they now just don't vote rather than consider voting for a different party.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Tory all the way for me, doesn't matter which one. Has allowed me to own my own home, work for myself, tell unions to go stuff themselves and has put food on the table without being told by socialists to share. It's all about me and my family you see, I don't want community or to be part of the greater good. I'll shop where I like, when I like and buy what I like. I don't give handouts nor would I expect them.
Righto, that should be just enough water thrown on the hot oil to see a few heads explode

 

[portslade seagull]

Rather a shame that you have built a philosophy based on a lie. This is what Margaret Thatcher said:

""They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours." – in an interview in Women's Own in 1987

Her point being, that it's no use looking at your neighbour who is struggling and thinking "society will help". You need to look at your neighbour and think "I will help". Society, as a means of helping people, does not exist; people, as a means of helping people, do exist.

Well I have two elderly widows either side of me and myself and my wife always help them sort things out. Not one for ignoring requests for assistance

 

[WATFORD zero]

He was late introducing lockdowns (3 times)
Late introducing testing
Didn't prioritise Carehomes
Late introducing quarantine for entries to the UK
Still waiting for a working track and trace
Put out numerous contracts out to suppliers with no history of anything except links to his Government
Put early orders in for vaccines

He decided to campaign to Leave the EU purely for his own career
He decided to push ahead with it in the middle of a Pandemic
He introduced a border between NI and the rest of the UK
He negotiated a 'deal' that is unimplementable
He has no plan for getting us out of this unsustainable position that he has now put us in
The economy continues to crash as a result of his deal
The economic impact of what he has done hasn't even started
Has just pushed through a law to allow us to trade with countries undertaking genocide (last night).

I don't disagree with a lot you have to say, but there has to be balance. if he is responsible for everything above then he is also responsible for:

a. Overseeing the worlds most effective vaccination program, saving countless lives
b. Campaigning to leave the EU and seeing Brexit to its conclusion, which has resulted in the ability to do a) above

I agree completely with a) hence me putting it in my original post of things Johnson has done with a thumbs up.

I am sorry but I am afraid that b) is quite simply factually incorrect. We did the deal with AZ while we were still operating under the 'restricted' rules and regulations of the EU. Leaving the EU had no effect whatsoever on our sovereign ability to order vaccines, in exactly the same way as Hungary, a full EU member also did and continues to order vaccines as is their sovereign right. But I guess if a lie is re-told often enough, there will be people who won't seek out the facts and simply believe the lie

 

[WATFORD zero]

And, of course you knew better from January last year just like the opposition.
I am not actually backing him. I just think that he did make a lot of mistakes but who actually at the time told him he was wrong?

You are just so blinded, no matter what, you will always support Labour in all they do and oppose the Tories. I have voted Labour and Lib Dem in the past. Have you ever voted conservative?

I have voted conservative many times. And I haven't voted for any Labour politician for over 10 years, but I'm sure you know best

 

[rippleman]

Thatcherism made this country far more selfish; all about personal enrichment for the few to the detriment of the many. Industries obliterated. Communities destroyed. Interest rates that nobody could afford. Massive levels of unemployment. Selling off the council housing stock.

Yes, the rich got richer under Thatcher. But for the majority, the woman was a complete unmitigated disaster.

 

[maltaseagull]

I have voted conservative many times. And I haven't voted for any Labour politician for over 10 years, but I'm sure you know best

Apologies, I always thought that was your area of expertise.

 

[Stato]

Rather a shame that you have built a philosophy based on a lie. This is what Margaret Thatcher said:

""They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours." – in an interview in Women's Own in 1987

Her point being, that it's no use looking at your neighbour who is struggling and thinking "society will help". You need to look at your neighbour and think "I will help". Society, as a means of helping people, does not exist; people, as a means of helping people, do exist.

You might get away with this spin if it wasn't for the fact that she herself never once looked at the less fortunate and thought "I will help". Interpretation of her meaning has to come from her actions, not from the best slant possible of the ideology espoused.

She didn't help the 3 million made unemployed by her economic obsessions,
She didn't help the housing crisis, legally preventing councils from using the money from council house sales to build more social housing,
She didn't help those affected by addiction, criminalising their behaviour instead of offering treatment,
She didn't help British manufacturing industry, nor the communities devastated by its decline,
She didn't help the LGBTQ community, introducing laws that retrenched the progress made in the seventies,
She didn't help football fans, seeing us all as hooligans who deserved everything we got from Victorian facilities, little government oversight of health and safety and shameful policing methods that led to the Hillsborough disaster.

Her mantra, as explained to Woman's Own, was to help those who help themselves and this I accept she did:

She helped those who helped themselves to our public industries;
She helped those who helped themselves to our North Sea Oil;
She helped those who helped themselves to profits from exporting manufacturing jobs;
She helped those who helped themselves to profits from busting anti-apartheid sanctions;
She helped those who helped themselves to international arms dealing profits;
She helped those who helped themselves to short term profit from the finance boom and bust culture that still blights the world today.