Where now for Poyet ?

[Thunder Bolt]

Wait a few weeks? They've all got managers now, so yes, if one wanted Gus, I don't think any of this would have made the slightest difference, in fact the complete opposite, as Brighton's bargaining power would have been a lot lighter as we would have been a lot more eager to off load Poyet asap.

I think you can use the fact that no Premiership club came in for him, as a very firm signal that none of them want him!

There will be vacancies soon enough. I reckon the first will be in September.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I really struggle with this anti Gus stuff. When he became our manager it was a bit like the geeky kid ending up bedding the head cheerleader. It was never going to be for ever but he helped raise our profile and we had some fun on the way. Okay he was high maintenance but the results justified the efforts. The time has come to part the ways - in the interim we have done good (to stretch the analogy, we've founded facebook) but I for one don't want to remember the parting, I want to remember the good times.

I really hope we get a manager who keeps and develops the style we now have and who can takes us further. But the premier league is not the be all and end all. I also hope that Gus gets a good job and is succesful. He is a precocious talent.

And if I'm to be blunt, now we've done good we should also be looking out for our old mates. Charlie oatway is going through a tougher time than many of us can imagine and I only hope that he doesn't get ruined by the collateral damage that the Willy waving of the last few weeks has caused.

This, 100 percent.

Well, 99 percent - can Gus be thought 'precocious' at 45? Geriatric compared to AVB.

 

[ROSM]

Good point, forgot all about him but he did have a certain Mr Clough with him as well !!

Could claim mickey Adams 1st time went on to manage a team that got promoted to the premier league. I would say peter Taylor (2) did go on to better things eventually.

And then there's Coppell who went on to manage a team into the prem, and stay there.

But what about the managers who didn't leave when they could have done. Barry Lloyd just after we missed out on promotion, or mark McGhee just after we stayed up on the final day.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I expect him to take the first Premiership job that becomes available, and that includes Palace. In the meantime he will pundit himself to death whilst his agent whores him to every Prem DOF, Chairman and Chief Executive when their club is in crisis.

 

[Seagull kimchi]

Will people still be applauding Gus at the Amex in the away dugout if he has Messers Bridcutt, Lopez, Buckley, Ulloa on his team sheet?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Spot on.

We've enjoyed some spectacular football over the past three seasons and I certainly won't be booing Gus any time soon. The end of his era has been desperately sad all round and even he may, in time, have a few regrets about things he has said and done given the unprecedented (in BHA terms) financial backing he has been offered and the affection and support he has enjoyed from the vast majority of fans - he may not find this at whatever other club(s) he works at and you have to be a truly special one to get away with the 'that's just the way I am' persona...

Charlie is one of ours and, unless he has been outrageously out of order in some way we don't know about - i.e. not just being loyal to his mate and boss, he should remain so.

Gus may have regrets, he may also be gutted, how do we know he even wants to leave?

He's talked many a time about building a legacy, getting to the prem with Brighton, helping design the set-up at the academy. He was the 8th longest serving manager in the football league after all.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

Wait a few weeks? They've all got managers now, so yes, if one wanted Gus, I don't think any of this would have made the slightest difference, in fact the complete opposite, as Brighton's bargaining power would have been a lot lighter as we would have been a lot more eager to off load Poyet asap.

I think you can use the fact that no Premiership club came in for him, as a very firm signal that none of them want him!

I disagree. You have a candidate thats going through an internal investigation but you have no clue to why, regardless of how much you want them at your club you'd still wait until it was sorted or at least some facts or allegations came to light to see if its worth it. For example if Gus is accused of locking all the players in a changing room and tehn systematically torturing them, then that wouldn't be someone you want. However if he was just being accused of turning up late for work you might think that it was worth the risk. We aren't the only ones without facts as you can be sure if people outside the club knew things then there would be leaks

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

Will people still be applauding Gus at the Amex in the away dugout if he has Messers Bridcutt, Lopez, Buckley, Ulloa on his team sheet?

surely you can't blame a manager for buying your players if the club/board sells those players. Besides which i'm sure part of the negotiations will involve a "no poaching players" clause for the next 12 months or something, i think they're fairly common

 

[Pavilionaire]

Gus may have regrets, he may also be gutted, how do we know he even wants to leave?

Maybe it was the way he told the players "I probably won't be around for long" or when he told the Chairman "I want to talk to Reading / Wolves" or when he said he'd love to manage Leeds / Zaragoza or when his agent was bigging up Gus for the West Ham job.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

Maybe it was the way he told the players "I probably won't be around for long" .

Is that fact?

when his agent was bigging up Gus for the West Ham job.

thats the agents job, agents are half the problems with football

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Not really, no. I don't hold any particular ill feeling towards the bloke. I just can't get over the bitterness that others feel. It's just very odd.

Not bitterness. Just a mixture of anger and frustration.
Angry and frustrated in equal measure by our late capitulation. All the work that led up to the second game v Palace. Two seasons of feeling our way through the Championship, getting the measure of the teams around us. Walloping some, narrowly winning and losing quite a few and a fair few frustrating draws.
The building of momentum last season. The feeling that this was a squad of players gelling into something good. Hard to beat, with a bit of steel at the back. We looked at those around us. Palace and Watford off the boil. Forest running out of steam. Leicester struggling to buy a win and Bolton, solid but unspectacular.
We were the form horses. We were bookies and neutrals favourites. This was our year and our chance. The door was opening for us. Promotion would probably mean keeping Bridcutt, Bridge and Upson. We all knew what it meant.
On the night of May 13th, it was obvious something wasn't right. As the game drifted to its inevitable conclusion, we seemed incapable of changing anything. The passion drained out of the players and the management seemed pre-occupied and resigned to their fate.
The anger and frustration is there because, deep down, we all know we were capable of beating Palace and Watford. For whatever reason, the team wasn't prepared and set-up right. Absolute focus was not given to one of the most important games in our history. Its no good dismissing it with.." there's always next season "....this was our time and we blew it.
So no bitterness. Anger and frustration that the manager couldn't commit 100% when it was most required and sadness that it has all ended like this.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Maybe it was the way he told the players "I probably won't be around for long" or when he told the Chairman "I want to talk to Reading / Wolves" or when he said he'd love to manage Leeds / Zaragoza or when his agent was bigging up Gus for the West Ham job.

that's not facts, that's spin

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Not bitterness. Just a mixture of anger and frustration.
Angry and frustrated in equal measure by our late capitulation. All the work that led up to the second game v Palace. Two seasons of feeling our way through the Championship, getting the measure of the teams around us. Walloping some, narrowly winning and losing quite a few and a fair few frustrating draws.
The building of momentum last season. The feeling that this was a squad of players gelling into something good. Hard to beat, with a bit of steel at the back. We looked at those around us. Palace and Watford off the boil. Forest running out of steam. Leicester struggling to buy a win and Bolton, solid but unspectacular.
We were the form horses. We were bookies and neutrals favourites. This was our year and our chance. The door was opening for us. Promotion would probably mean keeping Bridcutt, Bridge and Upson. We all knew what it meant.
On the night of May 13th, it was obvious something wasn't right. As the game drifted to its inevitable conclusion, we seemed incapable of changing anything. The passion drained out of the players and the management seemed pre-occupied and resigned to their fate.
The anger and frustration is there because, deep down, we all know we were capable of beating Palace and Watford. For whatever reason, the team wasn't prepared and set-up right. Absolute focus was not given to one of the most important games in our history. Its no good dismissing it with.." there's always next season "....this was our time and we blew it.
So no bitterness. Anger and frustration that the manager couldn't commit 100% when it was most required and sadness that it has all ended like this.

I still blame the board. He must have know they weren't committing to him, hence his rumoured comments to the players that he 'probably wouldn't be here next season'

 

[East Preston Gull]

Not bitterness. Just a mixture of anger and frustration.
Angry and frustrated in equal measure by our late capitulation. All the work that led up to the second game v Palace. Two seasons of feeling our way through the Championship, getting the measure of the teams around us. Walloping some, narrowly winning and losing quite a few and a fair few frustrating draws.
The building of momentum last season. The feeling that this was a squad of players gelling into something good. Hard to beat, with a bit of steel at the back. We looked at those around us. Palace and Watford off the boil. Forest running out of steam. Leicester struggling to buy a win and Bolton, solid but unspectacular.
We were the form horses. We were bookies and neutrals favourites. This was our year and our chance. The door was opening for us. Promotion would probably mean keeping Bridcutt, Bridge and Upson. We all knew what it meant.
On the night of May 13th, it was obvious something wasn't right. As the game drifted to its inevitable conclusion, we seemed incapable of changing anything. The passion drained out of the players and the management seemed pre-occupied and resigned to their fate.
The anger and frustration is there because, deep down, we all know we were capable of beating Palace and Watford. For whatever reason, the team wasn't prepared and set-up right. Absolute focus was not given to one of the most important games in our history. Its no good dismissing it with.." there's always next season "....this was our time and we blew it.
So no bitterness. Anger and frustration that the manager couldn't commit 100% when it was most required and sadness that it has all ended like this.

Absolutely this!

 

[Seagull73]

Not bitterness. Just a mixture of anger and frustration.
Angry and frustrated in equal measure by our late capitulation. All the work that led up to the second game v Palace. Two seasons of feeling our way through the Championship, getting the measure of the teams around us. Walloping some, narrowly winning and losing quite a few and a fair few frustrating draws.
The building of momentum last season. The feeling that this was a squad of players gelling into something good. Hard to beat, with a bit of steel at the back. We looked at those around us. Palace and Watford off the boil. Forest running out of steam. Leicester struggling to buy a win and Bolton, solid but unspectacular.
We were the form horses. We were bookies and neutrals favourites. This was our year and our chance. The door was opening for us. Promotion would probably mean keeping Bridcutt, Bridge and Upson. We all knew what it meant.
On the night of May 13th, it was obvious something wasn't right. As the game drifted to its inevitable conclusion, we seemed incapable of changing anything. The passion drained out of the players and the management seemed pre-occupied and resigned to their fate.
The anger and frustration is there because, deep down, we all know we were capable of beating Palace and Watford. For whatever reason, the team wasn't prepared and set-up right. Absolute focus was not given to one of the most important games in our history. Its no good dismissing it with.." there's always next season "....this was our time and we blew it.
So no bitterness. Anger and frustration that the manager couldn't commit 100% when it was most required and sadness that it has all ended like this.

So Gus wasn't useless then? The team he built was actually good enough, and playing really good football? Or have I read that wrong.

 

[somerset]

See ya matey boy,......good right up to the point you gave up on us after the playoffs,..... hated your words and deeds since, big let down, jog on now please, just don't take any of our players with you,.. well maybe Barnes.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

See ya matey boy,......good right up to the point you gave up on us after the playoffs,..... hated your words and deeds since, big let down, jog on now please, just don't take any of our players with you,.. well maybe Barnes.

but then you'll have to find a new target for your hatred if Barnes leaves

 

[brakespear]

I really struggle with this anti Gus stuff. When he became our manager it was a bit like the geeky kid ending up bedding the head cheerleader. It was never going to be for ever but he helped raise our profile and we had some fun on the way. Okay he was high maintenance but the results justified the efforts. The time has come to part the ways - in the interim we have done good (to stretch the analogy, we've founded facebook) but I for one don't want to remember the parting, I want to remember the good times.

I really hope we get a manager who keeps and develops the style we now have and who can takes us further. But the premier league is not the be all and end all. I also hope that Gus gets a good job and is succesful. He is a precocious talent.

And if I'm to be blunt, now we've done good we should also be looking out for our old mates. Charlie oatway is going through a tougher time than many of us can imagine and I only hope that he doesn't get ruined by the collateral damage that the Willy waving of the last few weeks has caused.

great post

 

[somerset]

but then you'll have to find a new target for your hatred if Barnes leaves

I will put you top of the list then shall I?............. but it would be nice to maybe, just maybe, have a squad where nobody is being carried..... let hope so.

 

[Pavilionaire]

that's not facts, that's spin

You keep believing that. Whatever.

Yes, decent manager, did a great job, 8/10. I'm backing Tony on this one.