[Albion] Where is Moises going? (Chelsea - 14/08/2023)

[Kalimantan Gull]

We won't stand in his way if our valuation is met, be it be circa£100m or Colwill + Cash IMO. As simple as that.

which is kind of standing in his way

 

[Is it PotG?]

which is kind of standing in his way

You buy a car, you pay the price asked in the showroom....until then it remains their possession.

 

[Mellotron]

which is kind of standing in his way

Not really. By that logic we should just sell all of our players for whatever offer comes in.

We have always been very strong on saying if the offer works for club and player, we will let them go. We've shown that time and again, no?

 

[crookie]

which is kind of standing in his way

He didn't have to sign the new contract, and he's been very happy I'm sure taking the hefty pay increase. Club are quite entitled to expect their asking price if they are going to sell one of their best players, that they don't want or need to sell, and who is under a long contract.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Not really. By that logic we should just sell all of our players for whatever offer comes in.

We have always been very strong on saying if the offer works for club and player, we will let them go. We've shown that time and again, no?

You buy a car, you pay the price asked in the showroom....until then it remains their possession.

He didn't have to sign the new contract, and he's been very happy I'm sure taking the hefty pay increase. Club are quite entitled to expect their asking price if they are going to sell one of their best players, that they don't want or need to sell, and who is under a long contract.

Yeah. I have no problem with any of that. But what does the phrase 'We won't stand in his way' really mean then? Every single player in the entire world has a transfer fee that their club will accept, so basically no club has ever stood in the way of any player moving ever.

If 'We don't stand in the way of a player wanting to move' is actually to mean anything, it means accepting a transfer fee lower than the maximum we think he's worth. Otherwise its just silly platitudes.

 

[crookie]

Yeah. I have no problem with any of that. But what does the phrase 'We won't stand in his way' really mean then? Every single player in the entire world has a transfer fee that their club will accept, so basically no club has ever stood in the way of any player moving ever.

If 'We don't stand in the way of a player wanting to move' is actually to mean anything, it means accepting a transfer fee lower than the maximum we think he's worth. Otherwise its just silly platitudes.

It's not said in isolation though, more like "We won't stand in the way of a player moving on if the club's valuation is met". Every player has a price, so therefore, if said price is met, any player is available for transfer, unless your name is Levi Colwill it seems !!

 

[Mellotron]

Yeah. I have no problem with any of that. But what does the phrase 'We won't stand in his way' really mean then? Every single player in the entire world has a transfer fee that their club will accept, so basically no club has ever stood in the way of any player moving ever.

If 'We don't stand in the way of a player wanting to move' is actually to mean anything, it means accepting a transfer fee lower than the maximum we think he's worth. Otherwise its just silly platitudes.

Kane at Spurs?

Went on strike (temporarily) and the club still didn’t budge.

 

[Bozza]

Chelsea may well point fingers, they may well baulk at the asking price and walk away, but they only have themselves to blame; a club who have been central to the transfer market’s startling inflation in recent years cannot expect any favours.

The Saudi Pro League may be waving millions at clubs and in players’ faces, but the bigger Premier League sides were arguably the instigators of this trend, with Chelsea themselves spending £323m in January – more than the top Italian, German, French and Spanish leagues combined.

Chelsea only have themselves to blame for Brighton’s £100m Moises Caicedo demand

Caicedo boasts the numbers and versatility to boost any Premier League side – no wonder Brighton are holding out

inews.co.uk

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Kane at Spurs?

Went on strike (temporarily) and the club still didn’t budge.

He'd have gone if City had paid what Spurs wanted

 

[KZNSeagull]

Yeah. I have no problem with any of that. But what does the phrase 'We won't stand in his way' really mean then? Every single player in the entire world has a transfer fee that their club will accept, so basically no club has ever stood in the way of any player moving ever.

If 'We don't stand in the way of a player wanting to move' is actually to mean anything, it means accepting a transfer fee lower than the maximum we think he's worth. Otherwise its just silly platitudes.

The way I see it is that we will not stand in a player's way if an offer comes in that gives the chance for a player to play at a higher level (this is essentially what RDZ said at the end of last season). If a CL team came in for Caicedo and they offered us a decent fee he would go. That fee would almost certainly NOT be £100m. The problem with the Chelsea bid is that we are playing at a higher level than they are this season, hence the fee must be really high if we are to accept it as we do not want to sell him.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Chelsea may well point fingers, they may well baulk at the asking price and walk away, but they only have themselves to blame; a club who have been central to the transfer market’s startling inflation in recent years cannot expect any favours.

The Saudi Pro League may be waving millions at clubs and in players’ faces, but the bigger Premier League sides were arguably the instigators of this trend, with Chelsea themselves spending £323m in January – more than the top Italian, German, French and Spanish leagues combined.

Chelsea only have themselves to blame for Brighton’s £100m Moises Caicedo demand

Caicedo boasts the numbers and versatility to boost any Premier League side – no wonder Brighton are holding out

inews.co.uk

Good article and summarises Brighton's position well.

 

[Clive Walker]

The way I see it is that we will not stand in a player's way if an offer comes in that gives the chance for a player to play at a higher level (this is essentially what RDZ said at the end of last season). If a CL team came in for Caicedo and they offered us a decent fee he would go. That fee would almost certainly NOT be £100m. The problem with the Chelsea bid is that we are playing at a higher level than they are this season, hence the fee must be really high if we are to accept it as we do not want to sell him.

So if manure offer us £80m tomorrow we’d accept?

 

[DataPoint]

Here's a really smart post from 'osboy' on the shed end -

"Not really about Caicedo but the price of talent isn’t linear. What I mean is that you can pay a big premium maybe 30-40-50% for a player that is only 5-10%. “better” you want to win you have to have the best players or at least the best team. And even if you win by only 1 point in 85 over the season it’s worth a lot more in every way than coming second."

He's absolutely right - Chelsea have high expectations but to achieve this they must strive for the very best players in all positions - second best won't make it happen. Last seasons 'scattergun' approach proved this. Problem is, it can be ridiculously expensive

I'll be glad when Chelsea and their plastic circus fans have f*cked off. Entitled, arrogant, clueless as to anything before Abamovich.

For the record i voted he stays on day 1 and nothing i have seen since has changed my mind. Chelsea will not pay 100mil.

Had Chelsea not been so apparently dismissive and even brusque over Brighton’s desire to include Levi in the transfer package I think a total package to the value of perhaps £70 million could possibly have been agreed with a cash balance of about 50%.

Brighton was prepared to release Caicedo as promised and when Chelsea started negotiating an amiable arrangement suitable to all parties seemed relatively feasible. The abruptness must have changed the atmosphere and hardened Brighton's stance. From then on Brighton would not loose both players from their squad without maxing out on the fee.

Brighton didn't want to sell under these circumstances - but - as they say everything has a price. In this case a Rice comparable £100 million - a perhaps £65 million cash flow difference for Chelsea?

 

[KZNSeagull]

So if manure offer us £80m tomorrow we’d accept?

Maybe. I doubt it would be dismissed out of hand.

 

[Seat Stealer]

Strange bunch these Chelsea fans. If they get Caicedo at £100m (he will now be a Chelsea player), so worth every penny. But if he stays at Brighton (top bid only £80m) he will be classed as over-rated. Hmmm

 

[Comrade Sam]

Astrid Wett vows 'party at mine day Brighton go down' over Moises Caicedo saga

Adult content creator and Chelsea fan Astrid Wett has waded into the Moises Caicedo transfer saga after the Blues saw an £80m bid rejected by Brighton

www.dailystar.co.uk

Saw this today and first thoughts were - what a fecking self untitled twat and does she go into Tesco's and offer 80p for a £1 loaf, then insists they free her bread? The article even claims Caicedo wants to leave - fact!

 

[Surrey Phil]

I think Tony standing firm on his valuation, is really important, as it sends a message to the so called big six for future player sales! This is not just about the sale of one player.

 

[Clive Walker]

Strange bunch these Chelsea fans. If they get Caicedo at £100m (he will now be a Chelsea player), so worth every penny. But if he stays at Brighton (top bid only £80m) he will be classed as over-rated. Hmmm

Chelsea are so light in midfield. Moises is poch’s no1 target and the owner will need to back his new manager. Buckle up for a eye watering bid soon.

 

[nwgull]

I tell you what, there’s a massive amount of imposter syndrome in this thread. Standing in his way? We’re a top half PL team playing in Europe FFS; Chelsea, for this coming season, are not. What are we standing in the way of?

I’m glad that Bloom and Barber are in control. If some posters had their way we’d have sold Dunk to Fulham in 2015, Knocky and Stephens to Newcastle and Burnley and 2016, White to Leeds in 2020 and Cucurella to City for half what we got from Chelsea last year.

To all those happy to accept 20m less than our valuation so as to not stand in his way of playing for a mid-table non-Euro-qualifying club, I ask: would you be happy if Barber put an extra 1K on the price of every single season ticket this year to cover the cost? No? Thought not.

 

[Seat Stealer]

If Chelsea sell us Colwill they could always sign Maguire on the cheap. West Ham seem to know the right value.