What's an appropriate sentence for a crime such as this?

[Blue Valkyrie]

Was surprised they didn't get 20 years when I heard of this.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

A holiday in the west indies for the mother to find her roots.

(Expect a reaction from the same posters the last time I said this)

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I agree, and the 24 hour news media doesn't help with hours to kill to pore over every wrong decision and ensuring that politicians feel they have to be seen to be doing something or have an opinion on everything

Ed Balls springs to mind in the Baby P case. Whatever the merits or otherwise of Sharon Shoesmith, the public manner in which she was dealt with was hugely damaging for staff morale. Pure political theatre with real consequences for people working on the front line.

 

[Hillian1]

Death.

Slowly.

Painfully.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Shark food?

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[SIMMO SAYS]

Shark food?

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Even sharks would find them indigestible

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Sad thing is these two scumbags will probably get some sort of police protection / nice single cell type life in nick for however long the sentence lasts , save the taxpayer the bother , give them a overdose of their own medicine

I suspect not. Fellow inmates tend not to regard child abusers as "nice to know".

Apparently the mother's only comment back to the judge after sentencing was "whaddever".

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Drugged, but still conscious and fed to pigs

 

[BNthree]

Recently I've come round to the opinion that serious crimes need serious sentences. No more 10 years and out in 5 on remand. Lot more whole life tariff or at least serving the whole of the sentence. The fact you can kill or rape and be out of prison in less than 5 years seems inconceivable.

 

[carlzeiss]

Rodrigo Duterte might have an idea

 

[wellquickwoody]

I'm not from the flog 'em, beat 'em, hang 'em school of thought as you know.

However this behaviour seems off the scale in terms of its depravity and cruelty.

Is this a reflection of a too liberal judicial system, an appropriate sentence for two people whose addictions have impacted upon their ability to make decisions, or just a barometer of twenty-first century England?

It is a sign of a too liberal society. Sometimes a crime really does deserve the death penalty, but in this case I think not, a very, very long prison sentence is about right in my view. Unfortunately I can never support the death penalty as one innocent victim is too many.

 

[Randsta]

People like this need to be helped, may be if they had of been this wouldn't have happened!

 

[GT49er]

Sadly, all the appropriate sentences are probably illegal, or at least a breach of their sodding human rights.

 

[The Camel]

I think the fact that so many people want to inflict extreme violence on these two is more of a sad indictment on our society than the actions of these scumbags.

Lock them up and throw away the key, sure.

But inflicting violence on them brings society down to their level doesn't it?

 

[Fred Oliver - Legend]

Black Mirror - White Bear.

https://youtu.be/46a1HN0Le2Q

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

People like this need to be helped, may be if they had of been this wouldn't have happened!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Hmmm, I doubt it's that's simplistic.

I'll hazard a guess that the child protection unit for the Grimsby local authority is under financed, understaffed and undervalued, just like every other child protection unit.

This to the power of 48. You left out overworked, but they are likely to have a difficult to impossible workload with a job where they are damned if they do and they are damned if they don't.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I think the fact that so many people want to inflict extreme violence on these two is more of a sad indictment on our society than the actions of these scumbags.

Lock them up and throw away the key, sure.

But inflicting violence on them brings society down to their level doesn't it?

No, not really, not in extreme circumstances when the offenders are 100% guilty.
Nothing upsets me more than this sort of crime and it only brings back awful memories of Baby P, Soham and others.
The fact that these two will be released and maybe before 13 years makes me feel sick.
No doubt they will get a hard time in prison but they will also be protected in there as well.
How can it be child cruelty, it is murder of an innocent child pure and simple.
Never let out would be the minimum sentence, but in this case and other child murders or rape when there is no doubt then the death penalty should apply.
The fact that we are keeping these animals fed, and kept warm only to be freed to possibly commit again is intolerable.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

This to the power of 48. You left out overworked, but they are likely to have a difficult to impossible workload with a job where they are damned if they do and they are damned if they don't.

Do we know if social workers were involved with this child?
If so imagine how the social worker dealing with this case feels, how do you live with that on your conscience, it's a thankless job and they are very underfunded and understaffed, it's a different subject but how can the protection of innocent children be considered as an area that needs to save the country money.

 

[crookie]

Do we know if social workers were involved with this child?
If so imagine how the social worker dealing with this case feels, how do you live with that on your conscience, it's a thankless job and they are very underfunded and understaffed, it's a different subject but how can the protection of innocent children be considered as an area that needs to save the country money.

Might not even have been the fault of social workers. Judges are very reluctant to remove children from their biological parents, even when faced with pretty damning evidence. My OH has told me a few examples of when she worked in housing and worked closely with social services.