What would it take to get you positive again about our super seagulls chances this year?

[withdeanwombat]

I've been following the Albion for decades, spanning seven of 'em, and would be following them whatever their position.

I'd like to see the end of peurile systems that have got fans talking about midfield diamonds, 4-3-2-1's, 4-2-3-1's, 3-4-1-2's, etc., etc.,
and get back to our wingers centring the ball for Alex Dawson to take it, the opposition goalkeeper, and at least two other defenders into the net (the suitably reinforced net.)

There, I've said it.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

A couple of good wins, and / or a REALLY flair signing.

 

[father_and_son]

No more negativity from me than previous seasons. I hope for Top6 but I expect 7th/8th. Same as last season, same as season before before!

 

[brightonrock]

Licker

I don't go very often these days because of the distance involved but when I did live down there I went week in, week out, home and away, even when we were at Gillingham I missed 4 games in 2 years.

However, Much as we all dreamt of returning to Brighton and still having a team to support, I don't think too many of us imagined having the highest ticket prices for a match day ticket outside the premier league and higher than some of the clubs in the premier league.

Mr Bloom has done a fantastic job of delivering a world class stadium and a grade 1 acadamy but anyone who has followed Brighton for the longer period will remember the stench at the back of the north stand where you sometimes had to jump over puddles of piss to get served a cardboard burger. They will remember the 75 mile trip to priestfield to hopefully get enough points to keep us in the league. They will remember sitting in the rain, even in hailstones to watch a 3rd rate team in a 3rd rate athletics stadium, where if the game was that crap you could always watch the ladies doing their exercises at the gym, or was that just me

So yes we now have our shiny emporium, the future looks safe and the dream of being able to call ourselves a championship team has been realised, but with the high prices comes high expectations, and rightly so, Bloom, Barber and all sold a lot of season tickets on the promise of a 5 year plan to get to the premier league.

If they want to keep people returning then they have to deliver on the pitch. They chose to play the corporate game, it wasn't the fans. If you raise peoples expectations them you have to expect some flack when things are not looking so rosy.

The team in my opinion is woefully short of the one that finished last season, and that wasn't as good as the team from the year before. How many backward steps should we take before people are allowed to say, you want me to pay £30 for that!

People have paid a lot of money up front with season tickets, in good faith. They have the right to complain if they don't think the product is up to standard. Again in my opinion, it is nowhere near up to standard.

They created a monster. Now they have to feed it.

Some of that is true I grant you, but we were paying £25/30 in league 1 & 2 whilst scratching around playing utter nonsense. I see it as a step forward from then, rather than a step back from the season before. And what I'm getting at is those moaning we haven't gone out and spent huge money. Why spend 5m on an Ulloa replacement if we can get one for free? What is the point in that? Some people are GENUINELY claiming that we aren't willing to pay anyone a going rate, or that we aren't trying to sign ANYONE. A post this morning said we were only linked to the likes of Clayton as a smokescreen to make it look like we're trying when actually we have no interest in spending money and only want loans. That is idiotic beyond words and I can only hope it was hugely tongue in cheek and I missed the point. I fear it was for real.

The club are keeping transfers under wraps because it's sensible, not because they're not doing anything. If we're bidding privately for player X and can get him for 7k a week, why would we want to go public with our interest, trigger a bidding war and have to pay 12k to get him? The same people slagging off Poyet when he was here and now painting him as a magician in persuading players to come here - players they also slagged off for not being worth the money that saddled us with 14m losses. They're calling for Barber to go whilst simultaneously calling for us to spend more money - when his job is to make more money for the club to fulfil that exact wish. Yes, the club "created the monster". But after my entire childhood and formative years watching shyte hoof ball in the rain at Gillingham and the Withdean, I'm prepared to wait a few more years for Premier League football rather than blindly screaming for compulsory year on year progression. It WILL happen, I have no doubt. I just don't understand the attitudes of those demanding it be August 2015 like we have some divine right to be there.

 

[BensGrandad]

I've been following the Albion for decades, spanning seven of 'em, and would be following them whatever their position.

I'd like to see the end of peurile systems that have got fans talking about midfield diamonds, 4-3-2-1's, 4-2-3-1's, 3-4-1-2's, etc., etc.,
and get back to our wingers centring the ball for Alex Dawson to take it, the opposition goalkeeper, and at least two other defenders into the net (the suitably reinforced net.)

There, I've said it.

Those were the days. Remember 1 occasion, but not which game, when he dived to head a ball towards South goal it was pouring with rain and he was horizontal about 18 ins off of the ground with defenders boots flying in. Wouldnt happen now.

 

[willalbion]

Licker

I don't go very often these days because of the distance involved but when I did live down there I went week in, week out, home and away, even when we were at Gillingham I missed 4 games in 2 years.

However, Much as we all dreamt of returning to Brighton and still having a team to support, I don't think too many of us imagined having the highest ticket prices for a match day ticket outside the premier league and higher than some of the clubs in the premier league.

Mr Bloom has done a fantastic job of delivering a world class stadium and a grade 1 acadamy but anyone who has followed Brighton for the longer period will remember the stench at the back of the north stand where you sometimes had to jump over puddles of piss to get served a cardboard burger. They will remember the 75 mile trip to priestfield to hopefully get enough points to keep us in the league. They will remember sitting in the rain, even in hailstones to watch a 3rd rate team in a 3rd rate athletics stadium, where if the game was that crap you could always watch the ladies doing their exercises at the gym, or was that just me

So yes we now have our shiny emporium, the future looks safe and the dream of being able to call ourselves a championship team has been realised, but with the high prices comes high expectations, and rightly so, Bloom, Barber and all sold a lot of season tickets on the promise of a 5 year plan to get to the premier league.

If they want to keep people returning then they have to deliver on the pitch. They chose to play the corporate game, it wasn't the fans. If you raise peoples expectations them you have to expect some flack when things are not looking so rosy.

The team in my opinion is woefully short of the one that finished last season, and that wasn't as good as the team from the year before. How many backward steps should we take before people are allowed to say, you want me to pay £30 for that!

People have paid a lot of money up front with season tickets, in good faith. They have the right to complain if they don't think the product is up to standard. Again in my opinion, it is nowhere near up to standard.

They created a monster. Now they have to feed it.

Excellent post.

 

[dazzer6666]

Some of that is true I grant you, but we were paying £25/30 in league 1 & 2 whilst scratching around playing utter nonsense. I see it as a step forward from then, rather than a step back from the season before. And what I'm getting at is those moaning we haven't gone out and spent huge money. Why spend 5m on an Ulloa replacement if we can get one for free? What is the point in that? Some people are GENUINELY claiming that we aren't willing to pay anyone a going rate, or that we aren't trying to sign ANYONE. A post this morning said we were only linked to the likes of Clayton as a smokescreen to make it look like we're trying when actually we have no interest in spending money and only want loans. That is idiotic beyond words and I can only hope it was hugely tongue in cheek and I missed the point. I fear it was for real.

The club are keeping transfers under wraps because it's sensible, not because they're not doing anything. If we're bidding privately for player X and can get him for 7k a week, why would we want to go public with our interest, trigger a bidding war and have to pay 12k to get him? The same people slagging off Poyet when he was here and now painting him as a magician in persuading players to come here - players they also slagged off for not being worth the money that saddled us with 14m losses. They're calling for Barber to go whilst simultaneously calling for us to spend more money - when his job is to make more money for the club to fulfil that exact wish. Yes, the club "created the monster". But after my entire childhood and formative years watching shyte hoof ball in the rain at Gillingham and the Withdean, I'm prepared to wait a few more years for Premier League football rather than blindly screaming for compulsory year on year progression. It WILL happen, I have no doubt. I just don't understand the attitudes of those demanding it be August 2015 like we have some divine right to be there.

Well said. Long term plans require patience.

 

[Ecosse Exile]

Some of that is true I grant you, but we were paying £25/30 in league 1 & 2 whilst scratching around playing utter nonsense. I see it as a step forward from then, rather than a step back from the season before. And what I'm getting at is those moaning we haven't gone out and spent huge money. Why spend 5m on an Ulloa replacement if we can get one for free? What is the point in that? Some people are GENUINELY claiming that we aren't willing to pay anyone a going rate, or that we aren't trying to sign ANYONE. A post this morning said we were only linked to the likes of Clayton as a smokescreen to make it look like we're trying when actually we have no interest in spending money and only want loans. That is idiotic beyond words and I can only hope it was hugely tongue in cheek and I missed the point. I fear it was for real.

The club are keeping transfers under wraps because it's sensible, not because they're not doing anything. If we're bidding privately for player X and can get him for 7k a week, why would we want to go public with our interest, trigger a bidding war and have to pay 12k to get him? The same people slagging off Poyet when he was here and now painting him as a magician in persuading players to come here - players they also slagged off for not being worth the money that saddled us with 14m losses. They're calling for Barber to go whilst simultaneously calling for us to spend more money - when his job is to make more money for the club to fulfil that exact wish. Yes, the club "created the monster". But after my entire childhood and formative years watching shyte hoof ball in the rain at Gillingham and the Withdean, I'm prepared to wait a few more years for Premier League football rather than blindly screaming for compulsory year on year progression. It WILL happen, I have no doubt. I just don't understand the attitudes of those demanding it be August 2015 like we have some divine right to be there.

I saw that same post and also had the same thoughts as yourself, that is utter nonsense in my opinion.

I think people would be a little less sceptical if they saw something happening with regards to bringing players in, instead all we have seen is a succession of players being sold, yes some have beenbreplaced but many haven't. I guess September 1st will tell its own story as to where we stand but you can almost hear it already "there is still the loan market" or "we are waiting for the premier league clubs to finalise their 25 man squads" or " we nearly signed this one, that one, the other one" you know its coming.

I'll say it again at the prices they are charging, people will have equally high expectations.

Yes we paid over the top back in league 1 and 2 as well, but i think we all felt we were doing our bit to keep the club alive back then.

Now, it just isn't the same club, its come out of the coma and off thevlife support machine, all thanks to Tony Bloom. But has he moved the ambition to far too soon? We have taken giant leaps forward, this season may be a small step back, but when you charge top whack for tickets you can't take too many small steps back, people will moan as they are doing now.

Fwiw, I'm not bothered about the premier league, sometimes I really hope we don't get there because I really fear what we will become, not just from the point of people moaning but that's another story.

You are absolutely right that we don't need to spend millions when a free will suffice, but at the moment were not seeing signs of anyone free or otherwise, that's what's worrying people.

 

[jamie the seagull]

Licker

I don't go very often these days because of the distance involved but when I did live down there I went week in, week out, home and away, even when we were at Gillingham I missed 4 games in 2 years.

However, Much as we all dreamt of returning to Brighton and still having a team to support, I don't think too many of us imagined having the highest ticket prices for a match day ticket outside the premier league and higher than some of the clubs in the premier league.

Mr Bloom has done a fantastic job of delivering a world class stadium and a grade 1 acadamy but anyone who has followed Brighton for the longer period will remember the stench at the back of the north stand where you sometimes had to jump over puddles of piss to get served a cardboard burger. They will remember the 75 mile trip to priestfield to hopefully get enough points to keep us in the league. They will remember sitting in the rain, even in hailstones to watch a 3rd rate team in a 3rd rate athletics stadium, where if the game was that crap you could always watch the ladies doing their exercises at the gym, or was that just me

So yes we now have our shiny emporium, the future looks safe and the dream of being able to call ourselves a championship team has been realised, but with the high prices comes high expectations, and rightly so, Bloom, Barber and all sold a lot of season tickets on the promise of a 5 year plan to get to the premier league.

If they want to keep people returning then they have to deliver on the pitch. They chose to play the corporate game, it wasn't the fans. If you raise peoples expectations them you have to expect some flack when things are not looking so rosy.

The team in my opinion is woefully short of the one that finished last season, and that wasn't as good as the team from the year before. How many backward steps should we take before people are allowed to say, you want me to pay £30 for that!

People have paid a lot of money up front with season tickets, in good faith. They have the right to complain if they don't think the product is up to standard. Again in my opinion, it is nowhere near up to standard.

They created a monster. Now they have to feed it.

Cut, Paste and forward to Mr Barber. Well put.

 

[darters74]

Licker

I don't go very often these days because of the distance involved but when I did live down there I went week in, week out, home and away, even when we were at Gillingham I missed 4 games in 2 years.

However, Much as we all dreamt of returning to Brighton and still having a team to support, I don't think too many of us imagined having the highest ticket prices for a match day ticket outside the premier league and higher than some of the clubs in the premier league.

Mr Bloom has done a fantastic job of delivering a world class stadium and a grade 1 acadamy but anyone who has followed Brighton for the longer period will remember the stench at the back of the north stand where you sometimes had to jump over puddles of piss to get served a cardboard burger. They will remember the 75 mile trip to priestfield to hopefully get enough points to keep us in the league. They will remember sitting in the rain, even in hailstones to watch a 3rd rate team in a 3rd rate athletics stadium, where if the game was that crap you could always watch the ladies doing their exercises at the gym, or was that just me

So yes we now have our shiny emporium, the future looks safe and the dream of being able to call ourselves a championship team has been realised, but with the high prices comes high expectations, and rightly so, Bloom, Barber and all sold a lot of season tickets on the promise of a 5 year plan to get to the premier league.

If they want to keep people returning then they have to deliver on the pitch. They chose to play the corporate game, it wasn't the fans. If you raise peoples expectations them you have to expect some flack when things are not looking so rosy.

The team in my opinion is woefully short of the one that finished last season, and that wasn't as good as the team from the year before. How many backward steps should we take before people are allowed to say, you want me to pay £30 for that!

People have paid a lot of money up front with season tickets, in good faith. They have the right to complain if they don't think the product is up to standard. Again in my opinion, it is nowhere near up to standard.

They created a monster. Now they have to feed it.

Hats off to you Sir. It's like you read my mind! Yes, a signing or 5 will help. I quite enjoyed the game Saturday but the lack of quality was evident after 20 minutes. I'll admit, I'm getting impatient now. Yes there are 19 days left til the transfer window shuts, but the season has started. Ulloa's replacement should have been in place weeks ago. No, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but from where I'm sat, it's been p1ss poor.

 

[BensGrandad]

What is annoying is that the Leicster Ulloa move was spoken about and bids rejected for ages why did they not then set a fee in their minds and line up a replacement in case it happened.

 

[The Brighton Buzz]

With even the Clayton deal now seeming unlikely, Buckley in doubt and us being linked with pretty much nobody...

The optimist in me is assuming (hoping (wishing (dreaming))) that our board are beavering away in the background and are about to surprise us all with the following...

- We will bring in 4 more players, including a (target man) striker, a flair midfielder and a left back. All of which will be £1m+ deals.
- Bloom will say we have been counting our pennies for FFP, and haven't been held to ransom by any agents
- Sami will say "These are just the players we have been waiting for, we didn't want to tell the fans/media beforehand as they would have inflated the transfer prices"

So what would it take to get you positive again about our super seagulls chances this year?

I am still positive but it is all the negative c**p on here after one league game that gets me down. We all know who the doom and gloom merchanta are and I have stopped reading any posts started by them. That's a start anyway.

 

[Eric Youngs Contact Lense]

Ten years ago, the idea of championship mid-table mediocrity being a disaster was frankly a joke. Season to season we barely had a club. SO WHAT if we don't go up. If premiership football is all you care about it says more about you than it does the club. I'm going to Cheltenham tonight because I like watching brighton play, win or lose. .

I'm with this sentiment exactly. There are plenty of clubs who had to bide their time...playing regularly in the championship, challenging for play-offs and even having mediocre seasons in between..Cardiff, Hull, Swansea, Burnley, Reading, Stoke, Watford, even Palace are examples that I consider...some have secured PL regularly, others haven't, but are well prepared to be in and around anoher challenge..and I talking about their pre-PL adventures moreso than their seasons with parachute payments, but even then the infra-structure is such that thet can "compete" again. There are others, who have all sorts of issues..Leeds, Portsmouth, Birmingham who went the other way..I know whoch way I prefer, and I am prepared to accept a mediocre season if it allows the building to continue beyond this season. No, the squad is not as strong, but I do not want to sacrifice the next few years to secure signings that are always ultimately a gamble but diverts from the plan in place. If it was just about entertainment, I would go and watch Lewes FC..I don't just feel like a customer, because I have a choice, and my love for the brand runs deep..

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Licker

I don't go very often these days because of the distance involved but when I did live down there I went week in, week out, home and away, even when we were at Gillingham I missed 4 games in 2 years.

However, Much as we all dreamt of returning to Brighton and still having a team to support, I don't think too many of us imagined having the highest ticket prices for a match day ticket outside the premier league and higher than some of the clubs in the premier league.

Mr Bloom has done a fantastic job of delivering a world class stadium and a grade 1 acadamy but anyone who has followed Brighton for the longer period will remember the stench at the back of the north stand where you sometimes had to jump over puddles of piss to get served a cardboard burger. They will remember the 75 mile trip to priestfield to hopefully get enough points to keep us in the league. They will remember sitting in the rain, even in hailstones to watch a 3rd rate team in a 3rd rate athletics stadium, where if the game was that crap you could always watch the ladies doing their exercises at the gym, or was that just me

So yes we now have our shiny emporium, the future looks safe and the dream of being able to call ourselves a championship team has been realised, but with the high prices comes high expectations, and rightly so, Bloom, Barber and all sold a lot of season tickets on the promise of a 5 year plan to get to the premier league.

If they want to keep people returning then they have to deliver on the pitch. They chose to play the corporate game, it wasn't the fans. If you raise peoples expectations them you have to expect some flack when things are not looking so rosy.

The team in my opinion is woefully short of the one that finished last season, and that wasn't as good as the team from the year before. How many backward steps should we take before people are allowed to say, you want me to pay £30 for that!

People have paid a lot of money up front with season tickets, in good faith. They have the right to complain if they don't think the product is up to standard. Again in my opinion, it is nowhere near up to standard.

They created a monster. Now they have to feed it.

I agree with much of what you say but I'm not sure anyone from the Club ever said anything about a 5 year plan. If you have a direct quote of that from Bloom, Barber et al please correct me.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I am honestly developing a strong dislike for a large number of albion fans at the moment. The petulant, deluded behaviour of some of the more vocal negative contingent beggars belief, I think it's a disgrace to be honest. I genuinely believe the worst thing that could happen would be for us to turn it around and go up. Imagine what NSC, twitter, Facebook etc would be like if we were getting battered week in week out by the premier league big boys. That's before we even got to the stadium and the boos started ringing around three games into the season.

The worst thing is, for some ludicrous reason, if you're not whinging and bitching like a toddler, you're branded a "licker" and the great dickhead go-to phrase of "blue & white specs" is rolled out. At which point someone the other dickhead go-to phrase, bed wetter, comes out in response and everyone starts calling each other names.

Ten years ago, the idea of championship mid-table mediocrity being a disaster was frankly a joke. Season to season we barely had a club. SO WHAT if we don't go up. If premiership football is all you care about it says more about you than it does the club. I'm going to Cheltenham tonight because I like watching brighton play, win or lose. Where are the 20,000 others who claim superfan status? It's pathetic.

A lot of truth in there. The number of apparent 5 year olds on NSC has increased drastically recently.

 

[seagullmouse]

A lot of truth in there. The number of apparent 5 year olds on NSC has increased drastically recently.

I don't know why it has to be so polarised. What do you disagree with in Ecosse Exile's post? He says it pretty well.

 

[spellfast]

It's very easy to be critical and equally easy to panic. The club really has come a long way and we should be rightly thrilled with that. As fans we have to accept the ups and downs of our club and that's part of the commitment that we all make. If we take a step back then fantastic progress has been made. But it feels like that progress has stalled over last season and the beginning of this. I know we reached the play-offs last season but we never really competed in them. I thought we were rather dull last season and didn't really enjoy watching that much if I'm honest. It seems that in the transfer market, as an outsider who doesn't know what goes on behind the scenes, we are inept. We go for this player or that player and lose out to, respectfully, weaker/smaller clubs. We currently don't have a team capable of achieving anything this season and not much prospect of that changing, I hope I'm wrong.

I guess we had a number of seasons of real excitement and we were bound to come back to earth at some point, but I do wonder where the receipts for selling players are going. I can only assume it is to ensure FFP compliance - which is great so long as other clubs do not "cheat" which it appears they are certain to do. I realise that it doesn't matter how much money our directors have they are, rightly, bound by FFP rules and their desire to abide by them.

I've also found that in any dealings with the club they have become rather high handed and lost the sense that we as fans are also customers.

So at this moment in time I'm not very excited about the season to come, but I also know that in football things can change very quickly and in all probability will. We need an attitude change from the club, a more aggressive recruitment process and something to get excited about.

 

[Munkfish]

Licker

I don't go very often these days because of the distance involved but when I did live down there I went week in, week out, home and away, even when we were at Gillingham I missed 4 games in 2 years.

However, Much as we all dreamt of returning to Brighton and still having a team to support, I don't think too many of us imagined having the highest ticket prices for a match day ticket outside the premier league and higher than some of the clubs in the premier league.

Mr Bloom has done a fantastic job of delivering a world class stadium and a grade 1 acadamy but anyone who has followed Brighton for the longer period will remember the stench at the back of the north stand where you sometimes had to jump over puddles of piss to get served a cardboard burger. They will remember the 75 mile trip to priestfield to hopefully get enough points to keep us in the league. They will remember sitting in the rain, even in hailstones to watch a 3rd rate team in a 3rd rate athletics stadium, where if the game was that crap you could always watch the ladies doing their exercises at the gym, or was that just me

So yes we now have our shiny emporium, the future looks safe and the dream of being able to call ourselves a championship team has been realised, but with the high prices comes high expectations, and rightly so, Bloom, Barber and all sold a lot of season tickets on the promise of a 5 year plan to get to the premier league.

If they want to keep people returning then they have to deliver on the pitch. They chose to play the corporate game, it wasn't the fans. If you raise peoples expectations them you have to expect some flack when things are not looking so rosy.

The team in my opinion is woefully short of the one that finished last season, and that wasn't as good as the team from the year before. How many backward steps should we take before people are allowed to say, you want me to pay £30 for that!

People have paid a lot of money up front with season tickets, in good faith. They have the right to complain if they don't think the product is up to standard. Again in my opinion, it is nowhere near up to standard.

They created a monster. Now they have to feed it.

Fantastic post.

 

[rcf0712]

I'm still positive.

How can 'fans' be negative after one game

Spot on, will all this hysterical bed wetting stop when the kids are back at school?

 

[scwiffy]

I'm not negative at all, but a win tonight would be reassuring! A few key signings to follow before the end of the transfer window (a left back and a striker) with a focus on quality rather than quantity!

THIS!

Odd that some people are saying we need 5-6 new players! We still have a lot of quality players. I'd rather see 10million spent on 2-3 quality players than on 5-6 mediocre ones.