[Offers] What religion are you?

[Megazone]

science is the study and understanding of the world through observation and recording. you cant claim science for evidence of god, its our body of knowledge. your statement should be some claim reality as evidence of gods handiwork.

and if they want to make that claim, he is being a right arse about it.

Fair enough.

I'm just going by a book I read not too long ago. Interesting read if you're into these sort of debates. Helps to see things from both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprints_of_the_Gods

 

[symyjym]

I always find it strange how some atheist preachers use things like the tooth fairy, witches, superman etc to back up their debate.

It suggest to me that maybe these certain atheists once believed in the possibility of these things to a later age then the norm, which then dampened all hope of spirituality once they finally realised things like the tooth fairy weren't true? Maybe the disappointment hit them harder than others giving them no hope of anything other?

Are you saying that you believe in the supernatural, your own God or you believe in one of the three Abrahamic Gods?

 

[beorhthelm]

Not much of that in Cambodia when atheist Pol Pot was in charge. Or in the Soviet Union either.

Atheism is a pretty broad church when it comes to morality.

(And tolerance isn’t always a good thing, either.)

those figures did not do what they did in the name of atheism, and do not share the same views as others who are atheist. they cant, it means non believe in god(s), it does not mean a believe in something else. those figures believed in political ideology that motivated their actions.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Went to Krakow a fortnight ago. Visited the cathedral for lack of anything much else to do. It was duly magnificent, all gold, spiralling magnifcence and beseeching statuary everywhere. Me and me mate came to the same conclusion totally independently. Comparing notes after our visit, we both agreed that on an architectural basis it was pretty damn splendid. On any other level, we both agreed it left us utterly cold. Especially with Auschwitz being just down the road. Seemed to us that a god that wasn't prepared to step in when Auschwitz was up and running was/is no use to anyone and pretty much provides proof as to whether he/she/they exists or not

 

[Commander]

I think you missed the bit where I mentioned my belief that the story may have been twisted down the years.

Ricky Gervais probably isn't the best guy for this sort of debate, but I respect anyone who doesn't believe someone could've built a boat and put a few cows, pigs, horses and sheep on it 2000 and something years ago.

The Bible is supposed to be the true word of God. It quite clearly isn't, because of things like Noah's Ark. If there was a God who was telling people what to write, would he not have corrected those inaccuracies and said "It wasn't actually every species, it was just a few cows, horses and pigs"?

All this 'It's a metaphor' or 'it has been twisted over the years' is just people saying 'It's a bit awkward today because it's clearly nonsense, so let's say it wasn't actually meant to be taken literally in the first place, and then we can shape it into whatever we want'.

Saying that different groups of humans have all come to the same conclusion over the years despite limited contact with each other clearly isn't true. They've all looked for answers and have generally not been able to find any, so they've made something up that fits, in a variety of different guises.

I honestly can't believe people are still having this situation in 2020, it's utterly ludicrous.

 

[Megazone]

The Bible is supposed to be the true word of God. It quite clearly isn't, because of things like Noah's Ark. If there was a God who was telling people what to write, would he not have corrected those inaccuracies and said "It wasn't actually every species, it was just a few cows, horses and pigs"?

All this 'It's a metaphor' or 'it has been twisted over the years' is just people saying 'It's a bit awkward today because it's clearly nonsense, so let's say it wasn't actually meant to be taken literally in the first place, and then we can shape it into whatever we want'.

Saying that different groups of humans have all come to the same conclusion over the years despite limited contact with each other clearly isn't true. They've all looked for answers and have generally not been able to find any, so they've made something up that fits, in a variety of different guises.

I honestly can't believe people are still having this situation in 2020, it's utterly ludicrous.

So you reckon it's all completely made up? There was no great flood? There was no man called Jesus who walked the land preaching about the evils of power in governments and banks?

Please don't get me wrong. I don't follow any religion, but I do believe there must be some sort of truth at the root of it all ?

 

[Commander]

So you reckon it's all completely made up? There was no great flood? There was no man called Jesus who walked the land preaching about the evils of power in governments and banks?

Please don't get me wrong. I don't follow any religion, but I do believe there must be some sort of truth at the root of it all ?

Clearly it's based on things that happened, and is a historical account of the time, with the bits that people didn't understand just made up. It even gets (spectacularly) wrong how long humans have been here for. Do you think God would have got that one wrong!? Or Jesus, if he was the son of God? Pretty sure he'd have known basic info like that.

Humans desperately want to know why we are here, and the Bible and other religions provided satisfactory answers to these questions until probably the last 50-100 years.They don't anymore, we know for a fact that vast swathes of the holy books are untrue and inaccurate, and the world is slowly waking up to this fact. Abrahamic religions will be gone in less than a thousand years, I imagine. That's if humans haven't wiped themselves out by then, which I'm guessing they probably will have.

 

[Megazone]

Clearly it's based on things that happened, and is a historical account of the time, with the bits that people didn't understand just made up. It even gets (spectacularly) wrong how long humans have been here for. Do you think God would have got that one wrong!? Or Jesus, if he was the son of God? Pretty sure he'd have known basic info like that.

I agree, these things do seem pretty irrelevant to ones spirituality and for some reason people like to focus on these things more than the message itself.

Humans desperately want to know why we are here,

Which I find very weird. Isn't the answer pretty obvious? To live.

and the Bible and other religions provided satisfactory answers to these questions until probably the last 50-100 years.They don't anymore, we know for a fact that vast swathes of the holy books are untrue and inaccurate, and the world is slowly waking up to this fact. Abrahamic religions will be gone in less than a thousand years, I imagine. That's if humans haven't wiped themselves out by then, which I'm guessing they probably will have.

More and more people are practising things like meditation in the western world than ever before. Things like the pineal gland seem to be discussed a lot more now too. Religions might one day disappear but i heavily doubt spirituality will.

 

[RossyG]

Seemed to us that a god that wasn't prepared to step in when Auschwitz was up and running was/is no use to anyone and pretty much provides proof as to whether he/she/they exists or not

The answer to the "If there's a (Christian) God then why does He [sic] allow X to happen" is answered by the belief that this isn't all there is. Far from it. Satan rules this Earth, where you spend up to 100 years; God rules the next one, where you spend eternity. This is the testing ground. The authorities at Auschwitz were allowed free will - as are we all - and chose to exercise it that way. They'll be judged accordingly.

 

[chimneys]

The answer to the "If there's a (Christian) God then why does He [sic] allow X to happen" is answered by the belief that this isn't all there is. Far from it. Satan rules this Earth, where you spend up to 100 years; God rules the next one, where you spend eternity. This is the testing ground. The authorities at Auschwitz were allowed free will - as are we all - and chose to exercise it that way. They'll be judged accordingly.

Could do with some fact checking. Can you assist as you seem pretty adamant?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

How can an opinion be "intolerant"? I would argue that, in fact, religion in general is more intolerant of other religions than those of us who don't seek to hide behind false gods.

It's intolerant of religion and those who want to believe in things that you are dismissing.

 

[RossyG]

Could do with some fact checking. Can you assist as you seem pretty adamant?

It’s about faith. Believe it if you like. Or not. It’s entirely your choice.

 

[Megazone]

Could do with some fact checking. Can you assist as you seem pretty adamant?

Surely if it was fact it wouldn't come under faith?

Sometimes I get the impression people aren't really looking for answers but just trying to win an argument that ultimately can't be won.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

[MENTION=13052]narly101[/MENTION] I'd say there is and it's the forcing of opinions that causes most of the issues we have in the World. What is wrong is the way religion is forced onto the curriculum, more should be made of exploring Atheism and some of the less attractive elements of religion.

Despite my Wife and I being atheists my Son wanted to go to Sunday school and some of the main Church events, so we took him, not necessarily opposing or worshipping but there to allow him to explore this. He soon gave it up when Sunday football clashed with it but HE made HIS choice.

As far as I am aware, having been a school governor 20 years ago, religion taught today on the National Curriculum is comparative religion, so they actually get taught about a wide range of beliefs. It is NOT about having one system of belief forced down people's throats, and I wouldn't support it if it was.

And my younger daughter - now 35 - used to do Saints Junior football training on...…… Sunday mornings. That's the way of the world.

 

[Notters]

But surely you believe that everything from the beginning of time was created by an unbelievable, against all odds coincidence?

Not in the slightest. We can only experience the World / Universe the way it turned out. The number of ways it could have turned out tends towards infinite.

With regard to intelligent (or should that be inelugant in NSC parlance) life on Earth, there are thought to be around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe and humans have only been around for 2,500,000 years. This means that there have been 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 star-human lifetime periods in the universe. Does this make it an against the odds?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Do people still believe in that mumbo jumbo? Oh yeah it's the reason people get killed and molested around the world still

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[Megazone]

Not in the slightest. We can only experience the World / Universe the way it turned out. The number of ways it could have turned out tends towards infinite.

With regard to intelligent (or should that be inelugant in NSC parlance) life on Earth, there are thought to be around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe and humans have only been around for 2,500,000 years. This means that there have been 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 star-human lifetime periods in the universe. Does this make it an against the odds?

against the odds of what?
that on Earth, there are thought to be around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe and humans have only been around for 2,500,000 years. This means that there have been 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 star-human lifetime periods in the universe.

and it all boils down to some cosmic coincidence which accidentally happened for no reason whatsoever....

Isn't it now scientifically proven that the subconscious isn't powered by the brain? If so whats going on there?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

No it’s evolutionary progress.

People used to believe in witch hunting, burning at the stake. They used to believe that God was angry at thunder until we began to understand weather.

Do you believe that it’s right for women to be stoned to death after they’ve been raped in some parts of the word? That’s your religion. And sorry that kind of backward thinking is absolutely something we should be intolerant about.

If people expect everyone else to believe the same - evolutionary progress - is that not intolerant? There are are some enormously intelligent people around who would profess a faith.

I know plenty of scientists, who know all about weather and thunder, who are active in Church Circles.

Anyone with any sense would react with horror at the idea of burning witches, or even heretics, as happened to people like Cranmer, Latimer and Ridley. And to take it back to fundamentals, Jesus Christ (or the writings about him) would tell you to "Judge not lest ye be judged". He never condemned or judged anyone. He just made people think and accepted everyone. It was he who said, when intervening in the case of the stoning of a woman caught in adultery (no, not rape) "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" (John, chapter 8 verse 7.)

 

[Megazone]

Look at the 4th division league table in December 96/97 season, then look at it in may.

How can anyone clvim there's not at god?

 

[Notters]

against the odds of what?
that on Earth, there are thought to be around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe and humans have only been around for 2,500,000 years. This means that there have been 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 star-human lifetime periods in the universe.

and it all boils down to some cosmic coincidence which accidentally happened for no reason whatsoever....

Isn't it now scientifically proven that the subconscious isn't powered by the brain? If so whats going on there?

Are you saying there's no such thing as free will and everything is random? If so yes, that's probably correct.

Look at the 4th division league table in December 96/97 season, then look at it in may.

How can anyone clvim there's not at god?

I don't think anyone is debating the existence of that particular god.