- Nov 3, 2015
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So Boris Johnson is now calling on the government (mainly remainers) to explain to the nervous masses how leaving the EU is actually a blooming good idea. What's that all about then?
What now, Boris?
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Raleigh Chopper
New member
The Government won't do that because they thought it was a bad idea in the first place and even though they lost they will continue to scare and bring out probably unnecessary measures in a we told you so way.
I did not want us to leave but we have and the wrangling will go on, May will probably be PM and what will happen is it will be an extremely watered down Brexit which will really upset the Tory leavers and so it will go on and on like children rather than getting on and running the country.
I wonder how much bad news has been swept under the carpet over the past few weeks, before the referendum it was bad news after bad news due to cuts and now you hear nothing.
Sad state of affairs really.
I did not want us to leave but we have and the wrangling will go on, May will probably be PM and what will happen is it will be an extremely watered down Brexit which will really upset the Tory leavers and so it will go on and on like children rather than getting on and running the country.
I wonder how much bad news has been swept under the carpet over the past few weeks, before the referendum it was bad news after bad news due to cuts and now you hear nothing.
Sad state of affairs really.
severnside gull
Well-known member
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
Raleigh Chopper
New member
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
Yes, expect to see plenty of British OAP's Luzzing plastic chairs at the police on the Spanish Costas as they are rounded up and tear gassed before being deported back to Blighty.
studio150
Well-known member
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
What else can she say given that the terms of the exit have yet to be started let alone concluded. It will be down to the EU and UK to resolve but if free movement of people is out, then the issue of visas, length of stay, criteria for emigrating all have to be resolved, and one option may be some form of repatriation.
But isn't this what leavers voted for, and given the press reports they want immigrants to leave now.
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
To do so now would declare open season on immigration discussions and I don't think Teresa May wants to go there right now. I am not sure of the efficacy of the information, but 2 million Brits living in the EU has been bandied around. Bringing this lot home after a fire sale of their properties, should help cut the NHS queues and calm everyone down. It would also generate a pretty sizeable protest vote alongside a huge sympathy vote from nieces, nephews, grandchildren and ex-neighbours. Still it will turn out all right in the end.
Worried Man Blues
Well-known member
This is probably in response to Leadsom's stronger tack, but another politician giving large then withdrawing when in office.
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
1 in 3 of the Leave voters had immigration as the main reason they voted Leave (according to polls after the event). So about 5.6 million voters. A sizeable chunk certainly.
daveinprague
New member
i saw a report from Ebbw Vale this morning on CNN. They asked a woman why she voted leave, considering the amount of money that the EU had given the area. She replied... Immigration..probably.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
Odious individual. Hardly a statesman. Hardly a leader of men. Hopefully he'll be consigned to the back benches, or land a job as a compare at The London palladium.
Particularly challenging when there aren't any.
- Nov 3, 2015
- 3,460
- Thread starter
- #12
I think I agree, really. It's time to move on and try and make the best of things I just don't know how someone who was so quick to drop his responsibilities, like the proverbial hot potato, can expect others to enthuse about something they don't really believe in.
My contempt for Johnson grows by the day. Some grubby article in the Telegraph calling for others to do EXACTLY what it was HIS duty to have done over that first weekend. I'm absolutely delighted Gove stabbed him in the chest. I'll be even more pleased when Gove gets trounced in their leadership contest and ends up on the back benches himself, sitting right next to fat Boris.
Come now, Gove stabbed him in the back. It was May who stabbed him in the chest. And then Gove gave him a minor kicking while he was bleeding out on the floor.
Yeah, Boris likes Latin tags, he'll appreciate Ovid's words "Quid iuvat extinctos ferrum demittere in artus? non habet in nobis iam nova plaga locum" (Enough with stabbing already, no need to kick me in the bollocks too. Give me a break so I can get on with my Telegraph column ... or something like that)
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
Thankfully, I just can't see that happening for loads of reasons that should be obvious to most.
My wife and I have got friendly with quite a number of EU citizens living in the UK, and without exception, they are hardworking, intelligent people who would be a huge loss to the country and their employers.
nicko31
Well-known member
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
Well the prospect of just letting everyone stay who is already here seems pretty pointless. Guess work permits will be needed and likewise the other way.
We've decided to go back to the dark ages, unless we come to our senses and hold another referendum, may as well get on with it
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
'On Friday I heard a new dawn chorus outside my house. There was a rustling and twittering, as though of starlings assembling on a branch. Then I heard a collective clearing of the throat, and they started yodelling my name – followed by various expletives. “Oi Boris – c---!” they shouted. Or “Boris – w-----!” I looked out to see some otherwise charming-looking young people, the sort who might fast to raise money for a Third World leprosy project.
They had the air of idealists – Corbynistas; Lefties; people who might go on a march to stop a war. And so when they started on their protest song, I found myself a bit taken aback. “EU – we love YOU! EU – we love YOU!” they began to croon. Curious, I thought. What exactly is it about the EU that attracts the fervent admiration of north London radicals? It was the first time I had ever heard of trendy socialists demonstrating in favour of an unelected supranational bureaucracy.
Naturally, Lefties might want laws to protect the workforce – but they would surely want those laws to be made by politicians that the people could remove at elections
In the old days, the Lefties used to dismiss the EU as a bankers’ ramp. Tony Benn thought it was unacceptably anti-democratic. Jeremy Corbyn used to vote against it in every division. Why has it suddenly become so fashionable among our nose-ringed friends? I tried to think which of the EU’s signature policies they were so keen on. Surely not the agricultural subsidies that make up most of the budget, and that have done so much to retard development in the Third World. They can’t – for heaven’s sake – support the peak tariffs that discriminate against value added goods from Sub-Saharan Africa. Nor can they possibly enjoy the sheer opacity of the system – the fact that there are 10,000 officials who are paid more than the Prime Minister, and whose names and functions we don’t know.
They can’t really be defending the waste, the fraud – or the endless expensive caravan of crémant-swilling members of the European Parliament between Brussels and Luxembourg and Strasbourg. Are they really demonstrating in favour of the torrent of red tape that has done so much to hold back growth in the EU? It seems an odd sort of campaign theme: what do we want? More Brussels law-making! When do we want it? Now!
Naturally, Lefties might want laws to protect the workforce – but they would surely want those laws to be made by politicians that the people could remove at elections. No: the more I thought about it, the odder it seemed. It was incredible that these young and idealistic people should be making a rumpus about the euro – the key policy of the modern EU – when that project has so gravely intensified suffering in many southern EU countries, and deprived a generation of young people of employment.
Perhaps, I mused, it was a general feeling that the EU was about openness, tolerance and diversity. But they must surely know that the EU’s rules on free movement mean a highly discriminatory regime, one that makes it much more difficult for people from outside the EU to get into Britain – even though we need their skills.
So what was it about? People’s emotions matter, even when they do not seem to be wholly rational. The feelings being manifested outside my house are shared by the large numbers of people – 30,000, they say – who at the weekend came together in Trafalgar Square to hear pro-EU speeches by Sir Bob Geldof. There is, among a section of the population, a kind of hysteria, a contagious mourning of the kind that I remember in 1997 after the death of the Princess of Wales. It is not about the EU, of course; or not solely. A great many of these protesters – like dear old Geldof – are in a state of some confusion about the EU and what it does.
It is not, as he says, a “free trade area”; if only it were. It is a vast and convoluted exercise in trying to create a federal union – a new political construction based in Brussels. But, as I say, I don’t believe that it is psychologically credible to imagine young people chanting hysterically in favour of Brussels bureaucrats. The whole protest is not about the EU project, per se; it is about them – their own fears and anxieties that are now being projected on to Brexit.
These fears are wildly overdone. The reality is that the stock market has not plunged, as some said it would – far from it. The FTSE is higher than when the vote took place. There has been no emergency budget, and nor will there be. But the crowds of young people are experiencing the last psychological tremors of Project Fear – perhaps the most thoroughgoing government attempt to manipulate public opinion since the run-up to the Iraq War.
When Geldof tells them that the older generation has “stolen your future” by voting to Leave the EU, I am afraid there are too many who still believe it. It is time for this nonsense to end. It was wrong of the Government to offer the public a binary choice on the EU without being willing – in the event that people voted Leave – to explain how this can be made to work in the interests of the UK and Europe. We cannot wait until mid-September, and a new PM. We need a clear statement, now, of some basic truths:
There is no risk whatever to the status of the EU nationals now resident and welcome in the UK, and indeed immigration will continue – but in a way that is controlled, thereby neutralising the extremists.
It is overwhelmingly in the economic interests of the other EU countries to do a free-trade deal, with zero tariffs and quotas, while we extricate ourselves from the EU law-making system.
We can do free-trade deals with economies round the world, many of which are already applying.
We can supply leadership in Europe on security and other matters, but at an intergovernmental level.
The future is very bright indeed. That’s what Geldof should be chanting.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-a-plan-for-brexit---heres-mine-in-5-points/
Apparently it's writing vaguely amusing articles.
They had the air of idealists – Corbynistas; Lefties; people who might go on a march to stop a war. And so when they started on their protest song, I found myself a bit taken aback. “EU – we love YOU! EU – we love YOU!” they began to croon. Curious, I thought. What exactly is it about the EU that attracts the fervent admiration of north London radicals? It was the first time I had ever heard of trendy socialists demonstrating in favour of an unelected supranational bureaucracy.
Naturally, Lefties might want laws to protect the workforce – but they would surely want those laws to be made by politicians that the people could remove at elections
In the old days, the Lefties used to dismiss the EU as a bankers’ ramp. Tony Benn thought it was unacceptably anti-democratic. Jeremy Corbyn used to vote against it in every division. Why has it suddenly become so fashionable among our nose-ringed friends? I tried to think which of the EU’s signature policies they were so keen on. Surely not the agricultural subsidies that make up most of the budget, and that have done so much to retard development in the Third World. They can’t – for heaven’s sake – support the peak tariffs that discriminate against value added goods from Sub-Saharan Africa. Nor can they possibly enjoy the sheer opacity of the system – the fact that there are 10,000 officials who are paid more than the Prime Minister, and whose names and functions we don’t know.
They can’t really be defending the waste, the fraud – or the endless expensive caravan of crémant-swilling members of the European Parliament between Brussels and Luxembourg and Strasbourg. Are they really demonstrating in favour of the torrent of red tape that has done so much to hold back growth in the EU? It seems an odd sort of campaign theme: what do we want? More Brussels law-making! When do we want it? Now!
Naturally, Lefties might want laws to protect the workforce – but they would surely want those laws to be made by politicians that the people could remove at elections. No: the more I thought about it, the odder it seemed. It was incredible that these young and idealistic people should be making a rumpus about the euro – the key policy of the modern EU – when that project has so gravely intensified suffering in many southern EU countries, and deprived a generation of young people of employment.
Perhaps, I mused, it was a general feeling that the EU was about openness, tolerance and diversity. But they must surely know that the EU’s rules on free movement mean a highly discriminatory regime, one that makes it much more difficult for people from outside the EU to get into Britain – even though we need their skills.
So what was it about? People’s emotions matter, even when they do not seem to be wholly rational. The feelings being manifested outside my house are shared by the large numbers of people – 30,000, they say – who at the weekend came together in Trafalgar Square to hear pro-EU speeches by Sir Bob Geldof. There is, among a section of the population, a kind of hysteria, a contagious mourning of the kind that I remember in 1997 after the death of the Princess of Wales. It is not about the EU, of course; or not solely. A great many of these protesters – like dear old Geldof – are in a state of some confusion about the EU and what it does.
It is not, as he says, a “free trade area”; if only it were. It is a vast and convoluted exercise in trying to create a federal union – a new political construction based in Brussels. But, as I say, I don’t believe that it is psychologically credible to imagine young people chanting hysterically in favour of Brussels bureaucrats. The whole protest is not about the EU project, per se; it is about them – their own fears and anxieties that are now being projected on to Brexit.
These fears are wildly overdone. The reality is that the stock market has not plunged, as some said it would – far from it. The FTSE is higher than when the vote took place. There has been no emergency budget, and nor will there be. But the crowds of young people are experiencing the last psychological tremors of Project Fear – perhaps the most thoroughgoing government attempt to manipulate public opinion since the run-up to the Iraq War.
When Geldof tells them that the older generation has “stolen your future” by voting to Leave the EU, I am afraid there are too many who still believe it. It is time for this nonsense to end. It was wrong of the Government to offer the public a binary choice on the EU without being willing – in the event that people voted Leave – to explain how this can be made to work in the interests of the UK and Europe. We cannot wait until mid-September, and a new PM. We need a clear statement, now, of some basic truths:
There is no risk whatever to the status of the EU nationals now resident and welcome in the UK, and indeed immigration will continue – but in a way that is controlled, thereby neutralising the extremists.
It is overwhelmingly in the economic interests of the other EU countries to do a free-trade deal, with zero tariffs and quotas, while we extricate ourselves from the EU law-making system.
We can do free-trade deals with economies round the world, many of which are already applying.
We can supply leadership in Europe on security and other matters, but at an intergovernmental level.
The future is very bright indeed. That’s what Geldof should be chanting.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-a-plan-for-brexit---heres-mine-in-5-points/
Apparently it's writing vaguely amusing articles.
Stato
Well-known member
- Dec 21, 2011
- 7,367
You have to appreciate the irony of an elected MP lecturing about democracy whilst at the same time being paid to parody and belittle a proportion of the electorate. Boris tells us why the EU is undemocratic, but makes sure he does it in a way that gives absolutely no doubt that if you live in his constituency and have different views to him, he doesn't like you and has no intention of giving you any representation in parliament. If you live in Uxbridge and need the support of your MP, perhaps over a housing issue, or a dispute with the local authority, you'd best not have a nose ring.
Boris and his fellow-travelers never fail to miss an opportunity to tell us that they don't like the EU because it is undemocratic, but the few who did turn up to vote for MEPs had more chance of some kind of representation of their views than those in the minority at a general election. The first past the post system allows the majority in a constituency to ensure that the minority are not only unrepresented, but can be nominally represented by someone who is paid a second salary to regularly advertise his contempt for them.
Boris and his fellow-travelers never fail to miss an opportunity to tell us that they don't like the EU because it is undemocratic, but the few who did turn up to vote for MEPs had more chance of some kind of representation of their views than those in the minority at a general election. The first past the post system allows the majority in a constituency to ensure that the minority are not only unrepresented, but can be nominally represented by someone who is paid a second salary to regularly advertise his contempt for them.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
Theresa May "refusing to rule out" forcible repatriation of EU citizens currently in the UK.
That'll go down well with the millions of Brits domiciled in the EU with the potential of tit for tat expulsions.
We really have become a very nasty and somewhat grubby little nation.
Where has she said this?