What does Hughton mean by expansive?

[rcf0712]

It could be his favourite word, mine's 'splendid' at the moment.

Mine's aircon, 40 degrees down in town tomorrow and I believe you live in them there hot hills.....

 

[Kevlar]

The history of the English game is associated with physicality, classically demonstrated in a rigid 4-4-2 formation that assigns each player a certain role to play in the game. Defenders would traditionally consist of full backs and centre backs, midfielders would consist of wingers, holding midfielders, creative midfielders and so forth. The game has moved on from specialised positional roles and formed a sport based around the ability to adapt to certain situations with players being able to contribute to all aspects of play, be that in an attacking or defensive sense.

The perfect example of this evolution in football tactics is the dominant force in club football right now, Barcelona. They are the pioneers of the perfect model of a 4-3-3 formation defined by passing and positional play.

Comment: why I was not really in favour of Houghton or any British manager of the eighties percentage play old style football of the dull 4-4-2 and rigid 4-2-3-1. Our saviour maybe a younger assistant

I am not really that modern, as I prefer the classic 4-3-3 of the late seventies. If you need a point away to a top team, play two banks of four (4-4-2) and it is up to the opposition to break your defence down.



I value ACUMEN which only comes with EXPERIENCE. Experience is the tired old ways. The average age of a Manager in the Championship was recently about 49 and that included Big Sam.

PS: Diagram is the daft diamond system (sort of). Players like it cause they do not have to think too hard.

I think there is a value in assigning roles even in a flexible
4 3 3 formation
even the classic midfield 3 of Barcelona featured a
defensive midfield (burchets)
general midfield (Xavi)
attacking midield(inniesta)
yes the special talent of Messi allows a false deep central attacker
but wide attackers in a 4 3 3 are expected to get
in the box and score anyway
even Chelsea's 4 2 3 1
normally features
a defensive midfielder matic
general fabergas
attacking Oscar
with very mobile wide attacking midfielders

 

[GT49er]

4-2-4 was the modern system then with two wingers. I think that Alf Ramsay just dispensed with the two wingers and put them in midfield. Martin Peters seem to get forward better than Alan Ball. In this way a less talented team won the World Cup.

Don't disagree with any of that, but at the time it was hailed as 4-3-3. I'm pretty sure Ramsey himself called it that, not just the press. And for years after that, English teams were lining up as 4-3-3, including us (though one of the front three was usually an out and out winger).

 

[glasfryn]

expansive= sending one C/H up for corners
more expansive =sending two C/H's up for corners
over expansive= sending two C/H's and the goalkeeper up for corners

 

[perseus]

Biscuits (deep-lying playmaker and destroyer)

Don't disagree with any of that, but at the time it was hailed as 4-3-3. I'm pretty sure Ramsey himself called it that, not just the press. And for years after that, English teams were lining up as 4-3-3, including us (though one of the front three was usually an out and out winger).

4-3-3 comes in several (at least three completely different systems) different forms which are quite different in style. All of them are good. But all run into the problem against the 4-4-2 when the opposition have an extra player in midfield. 4-3-3 was devastating against the two winger 4-2-4 and sent that shape into redundancy.

I do not think the shape is important as much as the tempo and possession game. Increase the tempo and more passes might go astray? Slow it down too much and the fans fall asleep.

I do like to have a winger in the team, even if he just comes on at 67 minutes. The lop-sided (best) version of 4-3-3 has the one winger, more likely on the left hand side. Even the Capello version of the 4-4-2 had a winger/wing-back on the right hand side.

We need Elliott Bennett. Note so sure CH will get a big striker keen to come to us. Not after the performances of Holt, Van Winkle etc.

 

[clapham_gull]

“At half-time I told the boys to be aware about Brentford carving you open because they are a good side, but said that if they are too expansive we could catch them on the break and we will have opportunities.”

 

[clapham_gull]

"I've tried to get a good balance. They have been quite an expansive team and are able to pass this football around and keep possession.
"I don't want to take too much of that away from them but at times we need to be more compact and tougher to beat."

 

[perseus]

I after the Solly March performance, it seems we might not need Elliott Bennett quite so much now. I still like the idea of a really pacy winger though.

 

[OzMike]

Mine's aircon, 40 degrees down in town tomorrow and I believe you live in them there hot hills.....

After nine and a half years living here, I just got aircon installed.
Should have got it years ago, it's like living in a different country now.
We are now 'case hardened' but the effect is very nice.

 

[rcf0712]

After nine and a half years living here, I just got aircon installed.
Should have got it years ago, it's like living in a different country now.
We are now 'case hardened' but the effect is very nice.

We only got ours 3 summers ago, this is my 20th, heaven in a reverse cycle box

 

[spence]

I after the Solly March performance, it seems we might not need Elliott Bennett quite so much now. I still like the idea of a really pacy winger though.

Buckley?

 

[perseus]

Buckley?

Unlikely to get Oxlaide-Chamberlain or Walcott !

 

[Hugh'sDad]

CH: 'No No No ....even if he is affordable'
PB......but you said 'Expansive'