[Travel] West Grinstead New Town

[drew]

I wonder how you would feel, if a few thousand houses like that, (3,500 in the case of this proposed new development at West Grinstead), however lovely they may be, were built on green belt land, very close to where you live?

Yes l know, the population is rising, l know people need to live somewhere, but as others have said, it's the logistics that the developers seem to convenienly ignore. Where are people going to work? where are the kids going to go to school? where will they shop? where are the nearest available doctor's surgeries?, what are the transport links like?

Building the houses is just the easy bit.

We have the Northern Arc in Burgess Hill and I haven't objected. People bang on about the need to build new houses then get up in arms if it's anywhere near their doorstep despite the fact that at some point the very home they live in was built on a greenfield site!!

 

[CheeseRolls]

The A272 is a dreadful road and I agree Cowfold is particularly bad. However there are a lot worse places new houses could be built. They will be within spitting distance of the Knepp Castle estate for example.

Next time you come into Gatwick look out the window at our overcrowded county. The developed bit looks like an inverted T. People have to live somewhere.
The protest website just points to a war of attrition that will eventually be lost. The whole we want nothing from you, so just sod off developers ends up with a compromise, where you just get nothing from them part.

One day people will cotton on that the way to approach this is to kill them with kindness. Organise a welcome party that says yes this development will be fantastic and of course you will want to contribute to the road improvement plans at Buck Barn and Cowfold to ensure the success of your project. Once the planning team have realised they are not being tasked with a shouting match roadshow, they can concentrate on squeezing the most out of the developers, who may well back out, if the cost of al the necessary work, suddenly makes the development unprofitable.

Meanwhile, just sign the petition.

 

[blue-shifted]

We have the Northern Arc in Burgess Hill and I haven't objected. People bang on about the need to build new houses then get up in arms if it's anywhere near their doorstep despite the fact that at some point the very home they live in was built on a greenfield site!!

Good for you Drew

This is one of those rare subjects where even the colossal hypocrites have the self-awareness to know and openly admit they are colossal hypocrites.

Keep pulling those ladders up boomers ... oh and then pretend you care about primary school provision and Orange Warblers

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I wonder how you would feel, if a few thousand houses like that, (3,500 in the case of this proposed new development at West Grinstead), however lovely they may be, were built on green belt land, very close to where you live?

Yes l know, the population is rising, l know people need to live somewhere, but as others have said, it's the logistics that the developers seem to convenienly ignore. Where are people going to work? where are the kids going to go to school? where will they shop? where are the nearest available doctor's surgeries?, what are the transport links like?

Building the houses is just the easy bit.

There are lots of new houses being built very close to where I live. You complain about the A24 and A272, try living here with a one way system around the town which also comes to a standstill when the swingbridge opens.

People have to live somewhere and only 2% of the entire land is urban, in this country.

 

[goldstone]

As someone who has to suffer the A272 and A24 being ****ed up every rush hour around Buck Barn I have voted agin it...

Perhaps any Horsham District NSCers might care to be agin it as well.

https://www.savewestgrinstead.co.uk/

We don't need any frigging "new towns". The country is full already.

 

[Brother Sid]

All You Need To Know

Indeed it won't. Cowfold is already officially the most polluted village in West Sussex from traffic fumes, this will only make it multiple times worse.

Cough, splutter.

Main developer Thakeham Homes MD meeting Chancellor Sajid Javid

 

[Springal]

We don't need any frigging "new towns". The country is full already.

 

[CheeseRolls]

We don't need any frigging "new towns". The country is full already.

Well we certainly have our full quota of angry men.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Of course - Such a shame that it just isn't possible to take a train.

Always find the smart alec remark of 'take the train then' somewhat blinked. For me it would mean a half hour walk from home to the station and then another half hour walk the Havant end. The train journey is roughly the same as the car journey in time. So we've already added 2 hours to my working day. And of course that's assuming the trains are actually running and on time which is rare. Some of my collegues use SW trains - currently they're very glad they took the decision to go by train rather than car ...... NOT !!!!! And finally we have the stupidly high cost of using the train. I think I'll continue to drive thank you and just use the rat runs in Arundel to get through the queues.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Always find the smart alec remark of 'take the train then' somewhat blinked. For me it would mean a half hour walk from home to the station and then another half hour walk the Havant end. The train journey is roughly the same as the car journey in time. So we've already added 2 hours to my working day. And of course that's assuming the trains are actually running and on time which is rare. Some of my collegues use SW trains - currently they're very glad they took the decision to go by train rather than car ...... NOT !!!!! And finally we have the stupidly high cost of using the train. I think I'll continue to drive thank you and just use the rat runs in Arundel to get through the queues.

I just suggested that you had a choice, when you commented that you HAD to drive. I wouldn't actually expect you to have to hold your nose for that length of time, six times a week.

 

[jakarta]

I just suggested that you had a choice, when you commented that you HAD to drive. I wouldn't actually expect you to have to hold your nose for that length of time, six times a week.

People like myself do HAVE to drive for work, perhaps you can explain exactly how I can get myself, 2-3 Flight cases of equipment plus my PPE kitbag and laptop out to a quarry in the middle of nowhere using Public Transport?

 

[CheeseRolls]

People like myself do HAVE to drive for work, perhaps you can explain exactly how I can get myself, 2-3 Flight cases of equipment plus my PPE kitbag and laptop out to a quarry in the middle of nowhere using Public Transport?

Well I clearly lost that argument didn't I? I should have known better than to pick that argument with you.

Err hang on isn't there a reply and quote feature on NSC that makes it really clear when you are replying to one person and not making a general point that everyone should always catch trains.

As it happens I also quite regularly drive that way, it isn't great, strangely not building more houses, doesn't actually make it better.

 

[Weststander]

Required to help house the colossal increase in population, with most demand in southern England. 58.3M in 1997, 67.5M now. Every planning authority has a target, although some such as BHCC have dragged their heels.

[From a Remainer, before I get accused of following the views of Farage].

Burgess Hill seems to expand exponentially, huge estates being built soon on the eastern side.

 

[bhanutz]

Bloody Tories

 

[Weststander]

There are lots of new houses being built very close to where I live. You complain about the A24 and A272, try living here with a one way system around the town which also comes to a standstill when the swingbridge opens.

People have to live somewhere and only 2% of the entire land is urban, in this country.

The jam southwards down the ‘Piddinghoe Road’ to Newhaven every afternoon/evening is astonishingly long and slow moving. Lewes DC/SDNP kept giving planning permission for more and more homes in Newhaven, whilst not spending on roads infrastructure.

 

[jakarta]

Well I clearly lost that argument didn't I? I should have known better than to pick that argument with you.

Err hang on isn't there a reply and quote feature on NSC that makes it really clear when you are replying to one person and not making a general point that everyone should always catch trains.

As it happens I also quite regularly drive that way, it isn't great, strangely not building more houses, doesn't actually make it better.

I'm very sorry, let me explain, I gave you my example as being one of the millions of working people that cannot use Public Transport for their jobs.

I wish I could, driving around the South East of England is without doubt the most awful part of my working life.

On the other hand I see you travel this bit of the A272 and it isn't great. I can only presume you prefer Housing Estates to Fields and Woods, we'll have to differ.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Agin is a horrible word, against flows in speech.

Anyway Blud houses are needed.

 

[CheeseRolls]

I'm very sorry, let me explain, I gave you my example as being one of the millions of working people that cannot use Public Transport for their jobs.

I wish I could, driving around the South East of England is without doubt the most awful part of my working life.

On the other hand I see you travel this bit of the A272 and it isn't great. I can only presume you prefer Housing Estates to Fields and Woods, we'll have to differ.

Okay so you like personal examples.

My oldest son currently lives at home. He bought a car last year, as he got a placement job in Horsham and public transport was impractical. Next year he hopes to go back to working in Horsham.

a) If he buys a house in West Grinstead New Town, how many extra cars will be on the road?
b) If he doesn't buy a house in West Grinstead, how many fewer cars will be on the road?
c) if no houses are built in West Grinstead, how much better will the traffic be than it is now?

 

[Spiros]

Of course houses are needed and they have to go somewhere. The real problem is not so much the building of the houses themselves it's the total neglect of the infrastructure. Don't blame the developers for that, blame the total inactivity of the county councils. They take money in the form of an infrastructure levy from the developers but just bank it and don't actually invest in the infrastructure. So when you're cursing at Cowfold don't blame Thakeham for that, they've paid their bit, blame the shambles that is west sussex county council

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm very sorry, let me explain, I gave you my example as being one of the millions of working people that cannot use Public Transport for their jobs.

I wish I could, driving around the South East of England is without doubt the most awful part of my working life.

On the other hand I see you travel this bit of the A272 and it isn't great. I can only presume you prefer Housing Estates to Fields and Woods, we'll have to differ.

The roads in the South East are awful, and that's because people object to road widenings and bypasses. I'm still amazed the Brighton bypass got built.