DumLum
Well-known member
Don't be ridiculous. It's a MAJOR trophy.
It used to be.
It could be in the future.
But at the moment it's a competition league one teams rest players for, that would have been unthinkable in the late 80s.
Don't be ridiculous. It's a MAJOR trophy.
It used to be. It could be in the future. But at the moment it's a competition league one teams rest players for, that would have been unthinkable in the late 80s.
Frankly, getting to the Final and/or winning it beats staying in the boring PL any day. We can do both but if I was given a choice winning a major cup is the only right answer. Anybody disagreeing is not only wrong, but in need of a good kickin to reset their central cognitive settings! Madness, absolute madness to choose PL over winning the cup!!
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Obviously, it would be ideal if we win the cup AND stay up. But it is only fair to Tony Bloom that IF we have to prioritise, the PL should come first. Is it reasonable to expect him again to dig into his pocket for the millions that we lose every year whilst in the Championship - and that is with huge crowds. Experience shows that even with parachute payments, it is very hard to go back up and I assume that all those who favour the cup over PL survival, would be willing to pay a lot more for Championship football. Or do we just say to TB - we will indulge ourselves and you pay, muggins.
So we're not allowed to dream of silverware, because we must instead worry about Tony's money on his behalf ? And by the way, THOUSANDS of us pay our money to watch BHAFC, week in week out. Do we pay as much as TB has put in ? No, of course not, but then unlike TB, none of us are billionaires (to my knowledge), so what we pay out for BHA is all relative to our own incomes.
BHA has existed for 117 years without being in the Premier League, and one way or the other it will continue to exist if (or likely when) we at some point drop out. In the meantime, if we can actually make HISTORY by winning some silverware along the way then I'll take that over finishing 17th every season, because winning something is ultimately what supporting a football club is supposed to be all about.
I think my first sentence should have been read, when I stated that ideally we go for both. Of course winning the cup would be history in the making and would be something we would savour for years but might be more years than you bargain for. I see that you have introduced a convenient element in mentioning 17th place, which was not the point. Yes, TB is a billionaire or whatever, and so if he is asked to put in more, and it is all relative to our incomes, as you say, you are also prepared to put in more, I assume, should we go down, if that is the price of winning the cup.
I'll continue buying a season ticket all the time I can afford it, just as I always have. Are you implying that ticket prices would go through the roof if we got relegated then ? Because I've never seen it happen before.
No, not at all -that is yourself trying to exaggerate. But we cannot exclude the possibility that prices may go up if TB decides that his contribution would be less generous. I think that the cup has lost its magic somewhat, ( and let's face it, the club has not altogether taken it as seriously as we might have wanted)) and I deplore that as much as you do, but we have to be realistic. The PL has now becomes so vast that relegation is far more of a disaster than it ever would have been decades ago. Yes, you are right in that the club has bounced up and down over the years, but it is altogether far more difficult now to rejoin the PL, as so many clubs are desperate to keep (or get)their noses in the trough, for want of a better description.
Relegation from the Premier League is only a "disaster" if the club has overspent on players to get there, and then try and stay there. I have faith that TB and his off-field team have got that side of things well under control. The likes of Palace, who are burning through 80% of their turnover on players wages alone, still owe multi-millions to various clubs for expensive misfits, have made zero investment in infrastructure, and who routinely lose 10,000 fans off their gates when they're not in the Premier League, are far more exposed to disaster than then likes of BHA.
Relegation would be a sickener, of course it would. But it wouldn't bring about the apocalypse. And as the club is not a basketcase these days, we'd be well placed to make a return at some point.
If that is all totally true about Palace, then, as you say, they are potentially in a very perilous position, and yes, I also think that the club is well run and thus hopefully have given every thought as to what might happen should we go down. My only point of criticism, if I may, is your choice of words to make your position more palatable - I have not said that it would resemble an apocalypse, but that it would be much harder than we think to get back up again.
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Obviously, it would be ideal if we win the cup AND stay up. But it is only fair to Tony Bloom that IF we have to prioritise, the PL should come first. Is it reasonable to expect him again to dig into his pocket for the millions that we lose every year whilst in the Championship - and that is with huge crowds. Experience shows that even with parachute payments, it is very hard to go back up and I assume that all those who favour the cup over PL survival, would be willing to pay a lot more for Championship football. Or do we just say to TB - we will indulge ourselves and you pay, muggins.
Relegation can and probably will happen regardless of cup runs so nope, we go for the CUP. What is the point otherwise. You are wrong. If Tony thinks that then he is wrong too (but he doesn’t so we’re ok). Part of the problem in football is the surrender monkey mentality of many fans, especially the Sky plastics who, because never set foot in a ground, want completely different things. To them I say this: off you f uck, begone! And I don’t recall seeing you at Gillingham either!!
Now, if we can all get back to agreeing with me please. I think you’ll find I’m RIGHT.
Thats all part of the ups and downs of supporting a club though innit. I'm under no illusions about how hard it would be to bounce back up, but we have a fine setup, a great owner, a manager who knows how its done, backed up with a good backroom of scouts and coaches. That will always give us a fighting chance.
I'd quite like to experience another Wigan as well, some day.
Have you been drinking?! I am struggling to totally understand the last bits! Yes, of course relegation will always happen - and I am not sure how you know what TB thinks. It is the consequences of relegation that need to be considered.
32k for the semi and 28k for the final.
I think my dread is that if we get to the semis and draw a big club, the FA will sting us all massively on ticket prices for what will very likely be a non-event of a game, and it will ultimately be a cripplingly expensive, inevitable disappointment based on the most miniscule ray of unavoidable hope. But anyway.
"If that is... true about Palace"?If that is all totally true about Palace, then, as you say, they are potentially in a very perilous position, and yes, I also think that the club is well run and thus hopefully have given every thought as to what might happen should we go down. My only point of criticism, if I may, is your choice of words to make your position more palatable - I have not said that it would resemble an apocalypse, but that it would be much harder than we think to get back up again.
28K is enough for each ST holder and some spare......all ST holder wont go.
Are you seriously saying that if Bruno hoisted the FA Cup at Wembley Stadium, for Brighton and Hove Albion, your first thought would be "bloody hell...now I've got to get home"