Welsh anthem to be played at Cup Final?

[clapham_gull]

We must agree to disagree I believe that it is just a song for Wales and not a national anthem and cannot be.

Sussex has its own flag!

Neither are "official" apparently. If you can't see Wales as a country with it's own identity and history you might as well stop referring to it as Wales.

I don't expect or want to be culturally lumped in with the Scots and the Welsh although I understand legally and constitutionally I am.

I quite happy with my own national identity. I'm English and my flag has a red cross in the middle.

Tell you what next time England are playing in the World Cup or European Finals, I'll wait for you to come on here and complain that there isn't a team GB and we should all we standing together under the Union Flag whistling God Save The Queen.

To expect the Welsh to throw away their "National Anthem" in favour of the UK one is EXACTLY the same as you doing the above.

I guess technically they are allowed to sing two

I don't expect you to do that, so for you to expect the Welsh to do it is contradictory and dare I say it hypocritical.

 

[clapham_gull]

Wales cannot have a 'national' anything, because it is not a nation, it is a principality.

Which begs the question why is the "National Anthem" played at the English Cup Final.

 

[The Large One]

Wales cannot have a 'national' anything, because it is not a nation, it is a principality.

That's Luxembourg bollocksed as well then.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

We must agree to disagree I believe that it is just a song for Wales and not a national anthem and cannot be.

Sussex has its own flag!

The only time in our history that there has been ANY such thing as a political entity called "Sussex" was when it was a Kingdom in its own right.

We were then taken over by Wessex - the folk from down Portsmouth way.

I don't think we should EVER forgive this outrageous act. The least we can do, at this critical moment in history, is show solidarity with our friends from Wales and let them sing their song.

 

[Questions]

Few inaccuracies there.

It is "The League" and not the "English League"

The National Anthem is not the English National Anthem.

In my view "The National Anthem of the United Kingdom" has no place at the "English FA Cup" final.

So we play our football in England, which is run by and on behalf of 89 English football clubs but its not to be called the English football league for fear of upsetting 3 Welsh clubs.

Phew glad thats sorted out then. Would not want to upset those welsh teams or clapham gull and his '''''''The League boys......

 

[Lord Bracknell]

So we play our football in England, which is run by and on behalf of 89 English football clubs but its not to be called the English football league for fear of upsetting 3 Welsh clubs.

WRONG again.

The Football League is called the Football League to distinguish it from the Football Alliance.

Both the League and the Alliance were formed in the late 1880s. They merged in 1892.

Neither was started as any sort of English national league. They were regional leagues. There was a third league, called the Southern League, which the Albion joined. It was only in the 1920s that a truly national league system came into existence - and that was never an English league, since it allowed teams like Cardiff City, Swansea City, Wrexham, Newport County, Aberdare Athletic, Merthyr Town and Colwyn Bay to play in it.

 

[Questions]

So they want to sing Men of Harlech do they.


The town and areas are best known for Harlech Castle, begun in 1283 by Edward I of England, captured by Owain Glyndŵr, and later the stronghold of Henry Tudor.


See not only do they sneak into our league ie THE ENGLISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE but we even have to build there f***ing castles for them.

 

[Questions]

WRONG again.

The Football League is called the Football League to distinguish it from the Football Alliance.

Both the League and the Alliance were formed in the late 1880s. They merged in 1892.

Oh so we must not mention that its English then. Was the Football Alliance Welsh ?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Was the Football Alliance Welsh ?

No. The teams who played in the Football Alliance were:-

Ardwick, Birmingham St George's, Bootle, Burton Swifts, Crewe Alexandra, Darwen, Grimsby Town, Lincoln City, Long Eaton Rangers, Newton Heath (now known as Manchester United), Nottingham Forest, The Wednesday, Small Heath Alliance (now known as Birmingham City), Sunderland Albion and Walsall Town Swifts.

The original Football League teams were:-

Accrington, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Burnley, Derby County, Everton, Notts County, Preston North End, Stoke, West Bromwich Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers.

NONE of these came from anywhere south of Birmingham.


Of the Welsh Clubs mentioned in my earlier post, none of them have ever played in the Welsh League. Cardiff City, Swansea City, Newport County, Aberdare Athletic and Merthyr Town all played in the Southern League. Wrexham and Colwyn Bay played in the Birmingham and District League.

 

[clapham_gull]

Oh so we must not mention that its English then. Was the Football Alliance Welsh ?

You can call it what you damn well like

I quite happy to call the FA Cup, the "English FA Cup" because that's what it is.

I'm also quite happy to refer to the national team as "England".

But the league is "The Football League". You can start calling it something else if you like if you want to be politically correct.

Personally, I'm just happy to be correct.

I understand Merthyr Tydfil F.C. play in the current Southern League.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

we even have to build there f***ing castles for them.

At last ... you've got the point. The castles in question were, of course, built by English monarchs to supress the Welsh.

That's why they don't have a particular fondness for singing "God Save the Queen".

-

 

[Lord Bracknell]

So they want to sing Men of Harlech do they.


The town and areas are best known for Harlech Castle, begun in 1283 by Edward I of England, captured by Owain Glyndŵr, and later the stronghold of Henry Tudor.

From Wikipedia:-

"Men of Harlech" or "The March of the Men of Harlech" (in Welsh: Rhyfelgyrch Gwyr Harlech) is a song and military march which is traditionally said to describe events during the seven year long siege of Harlech Castle between 1461 and 1468.

Commanded by Constable Dafydd ap Ieuan the garrison held out in what is the longest known siege in the history of the British Isles.

“Through Seven Years” is an alternate name for the song.

Some associate the song with the earlier shorter siege of Harlech Castle around 1408, which pitted the forces of Owain Glyndŵr against the future Henry V of England."

The song is sung by fans of Cardiff City Football Club minutes before kick-off before every home match at their ground.

 

[Questions]

From Wikipedia:-

"Men of Harlech" or "The March of the Men of Harlech" (in Welsh: Rhyfelgyrch Gwyr Harlech) is a song and military march which is traditionally said to describe events during the seven year long siege of Harlech Castle between 1461 and 1468.

Commanded by Constable Dafydd ap Ieuan the garrison held out in what is the longest known siege in the history of the British Isles.

“Through Seven Years” is an alternate name for the song.

Some associate the song with the earlier shorter siege of Harlech Castle around 1408, which pitted the forces of Owain Glyndŵr against the future Henry V of England."

The song is sung by fans of Cardiff City Football Club minutes before kick-off before every home match at their ground.

So the castle wasn`t built to protect the good looking sheep then ?

 

[Questions]

You can call it what you damn well like

I quite happy to call the FA Cup, the "English FA Cup" because that's what it is.

I'm also quite happy to refer to the national team as "England".

But the league is "The Football League". You can start calling it something else if you like if you want to be politically correct.

Personally, I'm just happy to be correct.

I understand Merthyr Tydfil F.C. play in the current Southern League.

And tell Berwick to get their arses back down here as well.