SM BHAFC
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It's when you see somthing like that cemetary that you realise the sacrifice made on our behalf.
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Wear you poppy with pride!
- Thread starter Mr Popkins
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elbowpatches
Active member
Always have worn a poppy always will. I feel it's important to show respect for those who gave their lives. Every year I make sure the class I teach know about the reasons for the poppy.
Dropkick Turnip
Member
With you, Mr Popkins but I have to argue the case for peace. Since I'm no great wordsmith, I'm borrowing words from the
Peace Pledge Union who are selling white poppies.
"The white poppy dates back to 1993 when the Co-operative Women's Guild (many of whose members lost husbands, brothers and sons in the First World War) produced them. White poppies are not intended as an insult to those that have given their lives serving their country.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers.
Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome.
From economic reliance on arm sales (Britain is the world second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world.
Now 85 years after the end of the ‘war to end all war’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children."
Peace Pledge Union who are selling white poppies.
"The white poppy dates back to 1993 when the Co-operative Women's Guild (many of whose members lost husbands, brothers and sons in the First World War) produced them. White poppies are not intended as an insult to those that have given their lives serving their country.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers.
Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome.
From economic reliance on arm sales (Britain is the world second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world.
Now 85 years after the end of the ‘war to end all war’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children."
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SM BHAFC
New member
There is always one that has to spoil it. Why can you not just let this one lie why does there always have to be something political in everything!
Respect is what it is about and remembering the sacrifice of milions, nobody is saying there is not a better way to resolve a conflict of course there is talking and diplomacy.
This is about remebering those who gave their lives for freedom and raising money for the Royal British legion nothing else why do you have to have a white poppy at the same time as people are paying their respect and giving to a superb cause.
Why not have it at another time, please just let this one alone and show some respect!!
Respect is what it is about and remembering the sacrifice of milions, nobody is saying there is not a better way to resolve a conflict of course there is talking and diplomacy.
This is about remebering those who gave their lives for freedom and raising money for the Royal British legion nothing else why do you have to have a white poppy at the same time as people are paying their respect and giving to a superb cause.
Why not have it at another time, please just let this one alone and show some respect!!
Sam
Formerly "Sambo"
in 1999 i went on a history trip to france and belgium, seeing the grave yards really brought a lump to your throat thinking that you are standing there because of the men/boys lying there in front of you. before 1999 i hadnt really given the war much thought, but since then, i wear my poppy with pride in those people
Dropkick, having nuclear weapons in the Cold War led to prevention of war rather than contributing to international instability.
I was in the WRNS and at the HQ for our Polaris submarines. I would have been responsible for sending one of the signals to launch a Polaris missile.
I thought long and hard about it when asked (and I was positively vetted by our Intelligence)
NATO has always had policy of defence rather than 'First Strike'
Having these nuclear submarines was a great deterrent to the Communist World and eventually the Cold War collapsed in a peaceful manner (apart from revenge killings as in Rumania and the hanging of Ceausescu)
I was in the WRNS and at the HQ for our Polaris submarines. I would have been responsible for sending one of the signals to launch a Polaris missile.
I thought long and hard about it when asked (and I was positively vetted by our Intelligence)
NATO has always had policy of defence rather than 'First Strike'
Having these nuclear submarines was a great deterrent to the Communist World and eventually the Cold War collapsed in a peaceful manner (apart from revenge killings as in Rumania and the hanging of Ceausescu)
Dropkick Turnip
Member
I think Yorkie and SM BHAFC have both missed my point a bit. I'm not trying to spoil anything for anyone. And please don't think I'm being disrespectful. I too feel very humbled at this time of year. Those who died have my complete respect, just as those who are currently working in Iraq have my full support and have done since the war was declared.
I always put money into the Red Poppy box but this year I'll be wearing a white poppy. Where's the harm?
My post was not politically motivated but there was a degree of humanitarianism in it.
I'm not going to get into a debate about whether NATO's nuclear weapons stockpile prevented a third world war because it's not something I know enough about.
I'll admit to being slightly confused (some would say misguided) about the Red Poppy/White Poppy debate but it just feels that the Red Poppy in some way vindicates the sending of young, brave men to their deaths. The White Poppy is intended to make people remember the dead but perhaps make them realise that there has to be a better way.
I always put money into the Red Poppy box but this year I'll be wearing a white poppy. Where's the harm?
My post was not politically motivated but there was a degree of humanitarianism in it.
I'm not going to get into a debate about whether NATO's nuclear weapons stockpile prevented a third world war because it's not something I know enough about.
I'll admit to being slightly confused (some would say misguided) about the Red Poppy/White Poppy debate but it just feels that the Red Poppy in some way vindicates the sending of young, brave men to their deaths. The White Poppy is intended to make people remember the dead but perhaps make them realise that there has to be a better way.
Gary Nelson
New member
Now is the time for marching,
Now let your hearts be gay,
Hark to the merry bugles
Sounding along our way,
So let your voices ring, my boys,
And take the time from me,
And we’ll sing this song as we march along
Of Sussex by the sea.
Chorus:
We’re the men from Sussex
Sussex by the sea
We can plough and sow and reap and mow
And useful men are we
And if you go to Sussex
Whoever you may be
You can tell them all that we stand or fall
For Sussex by the sea.
Refrain:
Sussex! Sussex by the sea!
Good old Sussex by the sea!
You may tell them all that we stand or fall
For Sussex by the sea.
Up in the morning early
Start at the break of day
March till the evening shadows
Tell us it’s time to stay
We’re always moving on, my boys,
So take your time from me
And I’ll sing you this song as we march along
Of Sussex by the sea.
Sometimes your feet are weary
Sometimes the way is long
Sometimes the day is dreary
Sometimes the world goes wrong,
But if you let your voices ring
Your cares will fly away
So we’ll sing a song as we march along
Of Sussex by the sea.
Light is the love of a soldier
That’s what the ladies say
Lightly he goes a-wooing,
Lightly he rides away;
In love and war we always are
As fair as fair can be,
And a soldier boy is the ladies’ joy
In Sussex by the sea.
Far o’er the seas we wander
Wide through the world we roam
Far from the kind hearts yonder
Far from the dear old home;
But ne’er shall we forget, my boys,
And true we’ll ever be
To the girls so kind that we left behind
In Sussex by the sea.
Now let your hearts be gay,
Hark to the merry bugles
Sounding along our way,
So let your voices ring, my boys,
And take the time from me,
And we’ll sing this song as we march along
Of Sussex by the sea.
Chorus:
We’re the men from Sussex
Sussex by the sea
We can plough and sow and reap and mow
And useful men are we
And if you go to Sussex
Whoever you may be
You can tell them all that we stand or fall
For Sussex by the sea.
Refrain:
Sussex! Sussex by the sea!
Good old Sussex by the sea!
You may tell them all that we stand or fall
For Sussex by the sea.
Up in the morning early
Start at the break of day
March till the evening shadows
Tell us it’s time to stay
We’re always moving on, my boys,
So take your time from me
And I’ll sing you this song as we march along
Of Sussex by the sea.
Sometimes your feet are weary
Sometimes the way is long
Sometimes the day is dreary
Sometimes the world goes wrong,
But if you let your voices ring
Your cares will fly away
So we’ll sing a song as we march along
Of Sussex by the sea.
Light is the love of a soldier
That’s what the ladies say
Lightly he goes a-wooing,
Lightly he rides away;
In love and war we always are
As fair as fair can be,
And a soldier boy is the ladies’ joy
In Sussex by the sea.
Far o’er the seas we wander
Wide through the world we roam
Far from the kind hearts yonder
Far from the dear old home;
But ne’er shall we forget, my boys,
And true we’ll ever be
To the girls so kind that we left behind
In Sussex by the sea.
Charlies Shinpad
New member
Yorkie said:
I was on those Submarines and part of my job was to programme the missiles to there tagets etc.
We were sent to sea for 3 months at a time,never surfacing in that time and a lot of the lads like me were of a very young age.(I was 19 years old at the time.)
In all that time we never thought we were going to war we were there to act as a Detterant to war,and that is the most important thing to remember.
Cadiz Seagull
Grey bearded old man
This should be back up the top today....
They shall grow not old,
As we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them,
Nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun,
And in the morning,
We will remember them.
They shall grow not old,
As we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them,
Nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun,
And in the morning,
We will remember them.
Charlies Shinpad
New member
I know politically we don't see eye to eye but I echo every word of that. The people who wear white poppies are beneath contempt. Wearing red poppies is not some militaristic gesture, it's not about saying "Hooray we won some wars, aren't we tough?" it's about remembering normal people who faced things that had no right to face.SM BHAFC said:
Anyway the white poppies are nothing to do with Peace, they came about because people wanted to make empty gestures about 'British Militarism' The fact that they're being disrespectful to millions of ordinary working people went right over their tiny PC heads.
Raphael Meade
Well-known member
Cadiz Seagull said:
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West Hoathly Seagull
Honorary Ruffian
Have to add my bit as my granddad (father's father) was caught when the Germans launched a surprise attack on Bari Harbour in 1944 with his fleet at rest. He suffered a burnt out lung and was never the same again, finally succumbing to Alzheimer's Disease on Christmas Day 1973, when I was 4 years old, so I never really knew him. Greatest respect to all of them. On the Remembrance programme today they had a feature about a Scots chap who died in the trenches and turned out to be a talented composer. That and when they played Nimrod moved me to tears. Good to see the old guy who was attacked selling poppies was able to join a parade in his home town, Aylesbury.
SM BHAFC
New member
Back to the top, and Brovian you hit the nail on the head, normal people who should never have had to go through what they did but faced it with bravery and courage beleiveing they were doing it for future generations.
And West Hoathly the Nimrod piece of music got to me too.
And West Hoathly the Nimrod piece of music got to me too.
