We want our 15 points back

[Pretty pink fairy]

Try looking at the actual thread you asked the question in.

need to be a bit more specific me thinks

 

[Eggmundo]

So just to recap, Leeds awarded 15 point penalty by Fl, they accept the penalty and if my memory serves me correct they do some sort of publicity shoot with a skip (I may be losing it there though!), Now 30 odd games in to the season they decide "Sh*t, we're not actually walking the league as we expected, let's play the victim role and contest it!"
I seriously detest the club, let them have the points back or even better stick them in the premier league with all the other money grabbing soul sucking scum that currently resides there. They're not a football club, they're a con. They give football a bad name.

 

[Deductions]

need to be a bit more specific me thinks

Are you really that thick?

You asked me where i drink on matchdays, then you asked me in this thread why i haven't answered it to which i replied i have try looking at the thread you asked the question in.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Are you really that thick?

You asked me where i drink on matchdays, then you asked me in this thread why i haven't answered it to which i replied i have try looking at the thread you asked the question in.

you been on the tetley's chuck?

 

[philsussex]

Are you really that thick?

You asked me where i drink on matchdays, then you asked me in this thread why i haven't answered it to which i replied i have try looking at the thread you asked the question in.

Try using some punctuation. That's commas, full stops etc.

 

[Starry]

So just to recap, Leeds awarded 15 point penalty by Fl, they accept the penalty and if my memory serves me correct they do some sort of publicity shoot with a skip (I may be losing it there though!), Now 30 odd games in to the season they decide "Sh*t, we're not actually walking the league as we expected, let's play the victim role and contest it!"
I seriously detest the club, let them have the points back or even better stick them in the premier league with all the other money grabbing soul sucking scum that currently resides there. They're not a football club, they're a con. They give football a bad name.

nope, nothing to do with results this action against the penalty has been going on all season, i met with the legal team when we were flying on the unbeaten run at the start of the season. it's only now because we're going to the high court that it is getting publicity. but it has been going on all season long.

 

[Happy Seagull]

Isn't it against the rules to take action in the courts? So if you do win you'll be breaking a rule in doing so.

 

[NMH]

Rules have to start somewhere, so Leeds have screwed around enough to have required new ones.
Your club went out and spent money on players like that and didn't get a return on the investment - and that sort of thing is what OUR chairman is careful not to do (by paying big wages to Bas and bowing to every agent's demands and and).
So cavalier and crazy got your mob in trouble - as a fine example of how NOT to act in football (and the fans were ANOTHER thing!).
That your club made mockery of rules that are in place to keep people honest, by accepting a points penalty when it didn't matter one whit, then dodged debts to everyone including the taxman - I for one, see NO reason to feel sympathy if the you are knocked by mock-up rules.

It's f***ing POETIC in fact.

and relax.

Well Starry, I see you chose to skip over my post above - and no doubt if there was on tiny point in there you could find a problem with - you would have pulled apart the whole missive and waxed horribly hurt by it all.

Leeds - BLATANT cheats, dodgy duckers and divers, and debatable whether the punishment was enough. I hope you get docked another 15 points to start next season too, just for trying to dodge and duck out of the last small punishment.

 

[Starry]

nah, just got nothing new to say that i haven't already said plenty times before to you or others in response to similar threads.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

People are in danger of confusing the law and justice.

 

[Starry]

wasn't ignoring that point, happy seagull. i have the criteria on one of the legal papers but can't get my hands on it right now.

anyway. our game was called off today just minutes before we were going to fly up, the oldest starry daughter is competing in a cross country event in shropshire so i'll go and cause havoc there instead of the keepmoat.

have a good one.

 

[Starry]

just been doing some bits to do with this today and remembered this point. bates (and mawhinney had to concede) to the fact that european law allows for person a taking action against person b is they believe they have been wronged by them. or words to that effect.

also, the 'contract' leeds signed with the fl to agree not to take any action, while initially bates fobbed that off as being done under duress has now been brushed aside as the case is about to become a joint action from leeds and a.n.other club.

the fl have to lodge their initial response to the high court by tuesday. will be a riveting read i am sure.

 

[Da Man Clay]

also, the 'contract' leeds signed with the fl to agree not to take any action, while initially bates fobbed that off as being done under duress has now been brushed aside as the case is about to become a joint action from leeds and a.n.other club.

.

I may sound a bit thick here, but how can a contract just be "brushed aside"?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

....a.n.other club.

What have Barnsley got to gain from backing you?

 

[Starry]

don't think it'll be barnsley. and depending on certain assurances from the fl it might not happen.

as for what they (or a.n.other club) might have in supporting leeds - bates prob has dirt on them. or on a more serious note - they lacked the basic details last summer when the kangaroo voted. since it happened the fl has not been able to confirm a rule which we broke which would equal the point deduction, other clubs have gone to the fl and asked for clarification and have been met with the same stony silence we have. a few are now of the opinion that enforcing penalties against rules that don't exist are not something they wish to be part of.

once the dust is settled on this there are lots of interesting tidbits that i am certain bates will let come out. i don't like bates as i have said many times on here, and while i doubt we will get any points back, i am glad he is going to expose the kangaroo court and the procedure before it for what it was/wasn't.. the fl are squealing. i am very curious to see what they submit to the high court, they have today and two more working days to do so.

 

[Da Man Clay]

I may sound a bit thick here, but how can a contract just be "brushed aside"?

 

[larus]

I thought the agreement was reached as a compromise because of the way the club went into/came out of administration and the CVA. The football league had the right to withold the golden share (or wahtever it's called), and this was a compromise which Bates signed. Simple thing then, get your 15 points back, but lose your golden share.

If I've misinterpreted facts, I would be grateful for some clarification, but that's what I remember of events.

 

[m20gull]

I thought the agreement was reached as a compromise because of the way the club went into/came out of administration and the CVA. The football league had the right to withold the golden share (or wahtever it's called), and this was a compromise which Bates signed. Simple thing then, get your 15 points back, but lose your golden share.

If I've misinterpreted facts, I would be grateful for some clarification, but that's what I remember of events.

That's about the gist of it. The FA had the power to levy the just punishment, bottled it and instead dished out the spurious points deduction, which they may now live to regret.

 

[m20gull]

If the parties agree to waive its clauses. If the FA can't enforce the terms of the agreement it's worthless.

 

[Easy 10]

What this boils down to is that Leeds are saying there is no precedent for a 15 point deduction to be levied. But then there was no precedent for the offence Leeds committed. I daresay nobody has ever been jailed for performing fellatio on an unconcious penguin, but that doesn't mean to say the perpetrator should get off scott free and not be punished how the law sees fit.

If Leeds want to continue participating in the Football League, then they have to abide by what the Football League decree and play by the rules. The CLUBS don't make those rules, the LEAGUE does. Live with it.