We need to talk about Kevin

[Tubby Mondays]

So basically the film offered no explanation, no logic, no structure, no history, nothing and it gave no explanation on why he was like he was and why he did what he did. Wanky overblow twaddle.

Not everything has to have a conclusion that is delivered to the viewer by the director/writer does it?

Isnt it more rewarding to draw youre own conclusions from things?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

So basically the film offered no explanation, no logic, no structure, no history, nothing and it gave no explanation on why he was like he was and why he did what he did. Wanky overblow twaddle.

Was there any explanation or logic to the girl that shot her schoolmates and when asked why she said 'because I dont like mondays'?

 

[Acker79]

I don't know how much attention I gave Elephant because I can't remember them explaining why they did what they did. There was little discourse or anything to draw any points from, to me the main point of Elephant that I took away from was how this ordinary school was the subject of victim of something so out of the ordinary horrible.

For We Need to Talk About Kevin I think you're doing a disservice to the story. His dad didn't think there was anything wrong because he didn't act like anything was wrong around his dad. The fact the mum was so scared of kevin and the dad didn't see anything wrong was one of the stresses that led to them deciding to break up. The fact he said "die die die" while playing a video game isn't a particularly good warning system, since perfectly healthy kids will do the same.

The fact he did something evil and you couldn't see the cause of it, doesn't mean the only explanation is demonic possession. How many times do we see the neighbours or friends/relatives of murderers and other criminals express their shock that the person they knew would do something like that. Look at the reaction of Ched Evans' friends to his conviction for sexual assault. It's not the guy they know, he wouldn't do it. Are you suggesting he was demonically possessed because the people who know him didn't see it coming?

There are people who seem normal, or even just slightly quirky, maybe quiet, who would never be suspected of doing something that they do.

Sometimes the fact there is no apparent cause is the point. It's scary, and unsettling, that you can't see some things coming, you can't protect yourself or prepare.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I don't know how much attention I gave Elephant because I can't remember them explaining why they did what they did. There was little discourse or anything to draw any points from, to me the main point of Elephant that I took away from was how this ordinary school was the subject of victim of something so out of the ordinary horrible.

For We Need to Talk About Kevin I think you're doing a disservice to the story. His dad didn't think there was anything wrong because he didn't act like anything was wrong around his dad. The fact the mum was so scared of kevin and the dad didn't see anything wrong was one of the stresses that led to them deciding to break up. The fact he said "die die die" while playing a video game isn't a particularly good warning system, since perfectly healthy kids will do the same.

The fact he did something evil and you couldn't see the cause of it, doesn't mean the only explanation is demonic possession. How many times do we see the neighbours or friends/relatives of murderers and other criminals express their shock that the person they knew would do something like that. Look at the reaction of Ched Evans' friends to his conviction for sexual assault. It's not the guy they know, he wouldn't do it. Are you suggesting he was demonically possessed because the people who know him didn't see it coming?

There are people who seem normal, or even just slightly quirky, maybe quiet, who would never be suspected of doing something that they do.

Sometimes the fact there is no apparent cause is the point. It's scary, and unsettling, that you can't see some things coming, you can't protect yourself or prepare.

I doubt his Mother was the least bit suprised he did what he did. Shocked, revolted yes, surprised no and the fact he acted like an Angel with his Dad for 17 years arising no suspicion on his part, sorry not realistic. I am glad others liked it, each to their own.

 

[Acker79]

I doubt his Mother was the least bit suprised he did what he did. Shocked, revolted yes, surprised no and the fact he acted like an Angel with his Dad for 17 years arising no suspicion on his part, sorry not realistic. I am glad others liked it, each to their own.

What about the parents of the kids in Elephant? Why didn't they do something? They had the same 17 years with their kids and they apparently did nothing.

 

[Falkor]

You could link this film to the girl that killed people at the school as she said "I don't like mondays". The dad believed his daughter was fine and brought her a air rifle, in we need to talk about Kevin the dad thinks the son is fine and buys him a bow that he uses. While we not sure if the there were apparent signs with the girl like there where Kevin, there seems to be similarities

 

[marshy68]

Saw this flick a few weeks ago. Strange ambience to the film considering it's subject.

Why though did he keep his Mum alive and kill his Dad when it was clearly his Mum who he hated so much.

i think thats the point of the film - he keeps the mum alive because he hated or loved her so much.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Elephant is a FAR superior film.

Not sure I'd agree that it's superior. They are both truly excellent films, and each stands alone imho. As for the 'Kevin' book, it's a total marmite experience - you either love it or hate it and I hated it - I got 20 or so pages in and gave up, mainly because of the style it was written in/format of writing to her ex-husband, which I couldn't abide.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Not sure I'd agree that it's superior. They are both truly excellent films, and each stands alone imho. As for the 'Kevin' book, it's a total marmite experience - you either love it or hate it and I hated it - I got 20 or so pages in and gave up, mainly because of the style it was written in/format of writing to her ex-husband, which I couldn't abide.

I read the whole thing and hated it. A really difficult subject, but it just felt that the reader was being dragged to a specific perspective. I know it was supposed to be the mother's view, but I do think multiple perspectives would have led to a much more challenging book.

 

[n1 gull]

F*cked up film, hated the 1st hour, but it comes together very cleverly. Bloody tough subject and definitely
not a bundle of laughs, but very good