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We might as well decide penalty decisions with the toss of a coin
- Thread starter Herr Tubthumper
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Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Agree it was a bit of a soft one, but Carragher had his arm wrapped round the blokes waist and looked like he was holding him back, so its not that surprising it was given.
gazingdown
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- Feb 26, 2011
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Compare the differences between a foul OUTSIDE the box and one in. Also compare how players "go down". There *should* be no difference (other than the location of the foul).
This "contact" and leaving a *dragging foot* to "catch" the defender should NOT be penalties IMO. They would never do (or get away with) this outside the box so why inside?
The key word is *foul* and NOT "contact". It's a contact sport so it needs to be MORE than contact to be a foul (as it would be anywhere else on the pitch).
This "contact" and leaving a *dragging foot* to "catch" the defender should NOT be penalties IMO. They would never do (or get away with) this outside the box so why inside?
The key word is *foul* and NOT "contact". It's a contact sport so it needs to be MORE than contact to be a foul (as it would be anywhere else on the pitch).
alan partridge
Active member
Agree with this. Even if he did go down softly why did Carragher have his hand wrapped around him. Penalty for me.
well, not FOR me.
The Large One
Who's Next?
If FIFA are saying that 'contact between players' mean there can't be simulation, I suggest they go back and take basic 'O' Level Physics and Biology.
The merest brushing of the leg or shoulder does not necessarily follow that a player's natural action is to be knocked over. Yet according to the football authorities, it is. Similarly, a defender could wildly swing his leg and an attacker genuinely lose his balance trying to honestly avoid getting maimed. Yet that player could be booked. As Poll said, FIFA aren't helping.
As for 'he is entitled to go down', words fail me.
The merest brushing of the leg or shoulder does not necessarily follow that a player's natural action is to be knocked over. Yet according to the football authorities, it is. Similarly, a defender could wildly swing his leg and an attacker genuinely lose his balance trying to honestly avoid getting maimed. Yet that player could be booked. As Poll said, FIFA aren't helping.
As for 'he is entitled to go down', words fail me.
No, not really.
Your initial post suggested it was fifty:fifty, as good as a coin toss. My point is that opinion isn't divided so evenly, the overwhelming majority say it was a penalty.
I think FIFA's position is that if there is contact there is no way for an observer to determine if that contact was enough to throw them off their stride and take them down, if that contact causes a protective reaction where the individual collapses to protect themselves, if they lost their footing or legs gave way as contact was made, etc., and that booking someone for diving or simulation is brandishing them a cheat, and draws questions over every foul they claim after, and rather than get it wrong, just don't book the if there is contact.
I agree it's silly. That it's usually easy to tell if someone has dived or is trying to protect themselves or whatever. But I think it came from the incident in the champions league a couple of years back where an arsenal player was booked for diving and banned, then appealed and the ban was reduced or cancelled because he argued there was contact. ~(I looked it up BBC SPORT | Football | Europe | Uefa overturns Eduardo diving ban it was eduardo)
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- #28
This. You make a good point about player's actions outside the box and within.
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- #29
Just tossed my 10p again. Still coming up as no penalty. You got a wonky coin or something?
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- #30
As for 'he is entitled to go down', words fail me.
I recall Nicky Forster once said if there's contact in the box he'll go down. He dressed it up as helping the ref know he'd been fouled. That's helpful of him. I wonder how widespread this belief and action is amongst players? It certainly seems that fans have bought into it.
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- #31
I really dislike Carragher.
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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As do I after that auto-biography. I don't need to explain which bit as i'm English
