"We finished seventh last season!"

[Acker79]

A cliche for success-minded people is "2nd place is the first to lose".

How is finishing 7th better than finishing 19th? We were neither promoted, nor relegated.

I don't think I'm pushing an agenda here pro-/anti-mickey, pro-/anti-wilkins, whatever. Just putting something forward:

We finished last season neither relegated nor promoted, we're currently in line to finish this season neither promoted nor relegated. How is doing so in 7th place so much better than in 15th?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Finishing 7th rather than 19th would mean [complete guess] that we had won about 12 more matches, which would mean I would walk out feeling much happier about the money I'd spent and much more likely to renew my three season tickets.

Does that make it better?

 

[bright1064]

We finished last season neither relegated nor promoted, we're currently in line to finish this season neither promoted nor relegated.

If we carry on playing the way we are, we are heading towards a relegation dogfight.

10 points away from playoffs.

4 points from relegation.

You work it out...

 

[Acker79]

Finishing 7th rather than 19th would mean [complete guess] that we had won about 12 more matches, which would mean I would walk out feeling much happier about the money I'd spent and much more likely to renew my three season tickets.

Does that make it better?

I think that depends. When you pay your money do you want to see wins, or do you want to see good performances/exciting games?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I think that depends. When you pay your money do you want to see wins, or do you want to see good performances/exciting games?

Now you're just being disingenious [or a 'tard]. Clearly it follows that a team finishing 7th is likely to have produced consistently better PERFORMANCES than one finishing one place above the relegation zone.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

err because we were in prime position to attack a play-off / automatic promotion place this season with a few additions.
Well we were until Dick lost his head.

 

[Questions]

I think that depends. When you pay your money do you want to see wins, or do you want to see good performances/exciting games?

Both if possible as opposed to neither.

 

[Kenhead]

I think that depends. When you pay your money do you want to see wins, or do you want to see good performances/exciting games?

I might aswell just get one of them £299 season tickets at Fulham next season if its just about excitment and entertainment as would see the best players in England evry fortnight.

Id rather see us win and have a second half of the season to look forward to...

 

[itszamora]

So the latest excuse for the start to the season is that it doesn't actually matter what place we're in, as effectively all chance of the playoffs has gone? Brilliant.

 

[Icy Gull]

How is finishing 7th better than finishing 19th? ?

Because your season isn't over by Christmas would be my guess. Please don't tell me a run in the pisspot trophy to Wembley would make up for it which seems to be Adams apologists get out clause

 

[chez]

Because your season isn't over by Christmas would be my guess. Please don't tell me a run in the pisspot trophy to Wembley would make up for it which seems to be Adams apologists get out clause

A trip to Wembley in the JPT trophy is much more preferable t promotion in my eyes this season.

 

[Brovion]

A cliche for success-minded people is "2nd place is the first to lose".

How is finishing 7th better than finishing 19th? We were neither promoted, nor relegated.

I don't think I'm pushing an agenda here pro-/anti-mickey, pro-/anti-wilkins, whatever. Just putting something forward:

We finished last season neither relegated nor promoted, we're currently in line to finish this season neither promoted nor relegated. How is doing so in 7th place so much better than in 15th?

If I can stretch your '7th, 19th, whatever' point a bit you're saying that there's no difference between finishing one place off the play-offs and one place above the relegation slots. I would say there is an awful lot of difference, actually. Granted we stay in the same division but that misses the point; if you've just missed out on the play-offs you were looking upwards, if you've avoided relegation you were looking over your shoulder all season. Where you finish reflects your aspirations of that season and also your hopes for the next - I think we were all expecting a more solid and sustained play-off challenge this year regardless of who was the manager.

And not many clubs sack a manager who finished 7th.

 

[Icy Gull]

A trip to Wembley in the JPT trophy is much more preferable t promotion in my eyes this season.

You'll probably get neither

 

[El Presidente]

And not many clubs sack a manager who finished 7th.

Chelsea? Manchester City, Manchester United, have all done the same for finishing higher.

DW was not sacked because we finished seventh, he was sacked because he compromised his position between the players and the board.

 

[Icy Gull]

Chelsea? Manchester City, Manchester United, have all done the same for finishing higher.

DW was not sacked because we finished seventh, he was sacked because he compromised his position between the players and the board.

The board appear to have behaved like Nazis in this instance from what I gather reading between the lines. No leeway to a man who'd given a large part of his life to this club. It may have been the reason he was sacked but it wasn't necessarily the why, they must have just wanted shot of him to bring in a big name

 

[Acker79]

Now you're just being disingenious [or a 'tard]. Clearly it follows that a team finishing 7th is likely to have produced consistently better PERFORMANCES than one finishing one place above the relegation zone.

Try telling that to the people on here who argue that Wilkins got points he didn't deserve, that the football was awful.

It doesn't always follow that the best performances are rewarded with wins. Liverpool have been accused of winning more games this season than their performances have merited, and in a turnabout, Tottenham got a win over Liverpool (their league one) that their performance did not merit according to most people.

In an ideal world the better performance will be rewarded with the win, but we do not live in an ideal world.

 

[NMH]

A cliche for success-minded people is "2nd place is the first to lose".

How is finishing 7th better than finishing 19th? We were neither promoted, nor relegated.

I don't think I'm pushing an agenda here pro-/anti-mickey, pro-/anti-wilkins, whatever. Just putting something forward:

We finished last season neither relegated nor promoted, we're currently in line to finish this season neither promoted nor relegated. How is doing so in 7th place so much better than in 15th?

What's the difference between getting served porridge, or a roast dinner?

Are some people here struggling with perspective, or trying to be wishy washy about mid-table obscurity, non-competitiveness, lacklustre football?

Do you recall last season, and did it hold no interest up to the point we finished 7th? How would you feel if the season were over as a competition even sooner? How would you enjoy a relegation struggle - would it compare the same as a promotion season?

 

[NMH]

Try telling that to the people on here who argue that Wilkins got points he didn't deserve, that the football was awful.

It doesn't always follow that the best performances are rewarded with wins. Liverpool have been accused of winning more games this season than their performances have merited, and in a turnabout, Tottenham got a win over Liverpool (their league one) that their performance did not merit according to most people.

In an ideal world the better performance will be rewarded with the win, but we do not live in an ideal world.

If Rembrandt swished all the colours on his palette together into one colour, and the result was painted on a canvas, would that make the result just as good as any masterpiece he ever painted?

That's the kind of question you are asking.

 

[Questions]

I`m afraid this all about being patient isn`t it. Putting the Wilkins sacking to bed for a little while it is far to early to be talking of getting rid of Adams. We are going to have to wait until the same time next season because that is what Knight is going to tell us all in the coming months..... that we the fans need to see the bigger picture and that the decision to bring in Mickey was to build a successful team in the next two years. The question is do you have the patience for that ?

 

[Chesney Christ]

Try telling that to the people on here who argue that Wilkins got points he didn't deserve, that the football was awful.

It doesn't always follow that the best performances are rewarded with wins. Liverpool have been accused of winning more games this season than their performances have merited, and in a turnabout, Tottenham got a win over Liverpool (their league one) that their performance did not merit according to most people.

In an ideal world the better performance will be rewarded with the win, but we do not live in an ideal world.

Yeah, but the results this season have been dire and the performances have been utterly dire. Thus I don't really see your argument.