[Football] Wayne Rooney’s Plymouth (not any more - 31/12/24)

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I beg to differ about there being a good manager 'in there'.

All the top managers these days (and I include Dyche in that) are articulate, subtle-thinking people with either exquisite man-management skills or the ability to plan a match with trigonometric precision, and in most cases both.

Rooney is not articulate. And his ever-expanding big fat face speaks of self-indulgence.

I will say this now. I can't see him ever getting another job as manager at tier 3 level or above. More than likely this is it for him as a number 1.

 

[Han Solo]

I'd imagine, and this is really shitty of me, but "learning foreign" probably isn't something he fancies

There's a good manager in there. Somewhere. He's not been terrible, he has the worst championship team at the bottom of the table but he's done better.

A year or two in the Netherlands and he'd be talking fluent English.

i am almost certain that the vast majority of what he achieved at derby was down to rosenior

I'd imagine Rosenior wouldn't agree as the job of the coaching staff is really difficult (bordering on impossible) if the manager is actually incompetent.

Regardless if Rooney helped Derby to stay up through generously, humbly and perhaps wisely giving his staff more responsibility or if he was more hands on, he still helped that Derby side get maybe double the points anyone expected.

 

[Blackadder]

Mispost

 

[Blackadder]

Got Derby relegated. Got Birmingham relegated (from a top 6 position) Plymouth owners, "Hey let's get Rooney, he used to be a good footballer"

 

[DJ NOBO]

Who's going to be sacked first? Rooney? Or the kitman?

Or maybe it was a clever plan to bamboozle the ref?

Rooney

 

[Easy 10]

Heard rumours that he was spending a lot of time at home in Cheshire then getting in late for training, often didn't travel with the team to away games, and that a drinking culture had crept in at the club. If any of that is true then clearly he didn't really have his heart in the job. If he didn't care then why should the players.

 

[Weststander]

Was it a dumb choice of club by him in term of player budget, relative to the division? And therefore doomed to failure. Their transfer spending last summer pituful.

No surprise, I see Fat Frank chose a club with a huge spend in recent windows.

 

[Hometownglory]

Shocking decision to appoint him. His track record was awful and now they are rock bottom of the league. I quite like Plymouth tbf.

 

[Hiheidi]

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yes. The players looked up to him at Swindon, where none had any realistic expectation of emulating his skills, and all were happy to gawp.

There are similarities with Emre. His Villa squad is good but not elite and Villa have won nothing for ever, and have been in the Championship recently. Emre has a plan and can be as cold and dictatorial as he likes there, and the players will all put in a shift because they can sense they may be heading towards the first thing any of them have ever won.

But when Emre was at the Arse, he was dealing with a bunch of deluded 'elite' players who had come from clubs where they had won things, and if you listened carefully the word 'Invincables' was still echoing faintly around the stadium. These players were not going to up their game for a pointy-faced greasy-haired empathy-free nonentity. They needed love. Possibly a full reach-around. Which is what Captain Black provides them

I can now never un-read those last three lines. Thanks a bunch

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Heard rumours that he was spending a lot of time at home in Cheshire then getting in late for training, often didn't travel with the team to away games, and that a drinking culture had crept in at the club. If any of that is true then clearly he didn't really have his heart in the job. If he didn't care then why should the players.

From Dave on Radio Plymouth?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well, who didn’t predict that from the moment he was appointed?

 

[Easy 10]

From Dave on Radio Plymouth?

Rob, I think.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

i am almost certain that the vast majority of what he achieved at derby was down to rosenior

Maybe. But regardless of who achieved it, it wasn’t much . Derby were bottom of the Championship at the time but climbed to 18th, eight points clear of the relegation zone, but a late-season slump saw them survive by just a point. That short run to 18th was as good as it ever got for Wayne the manager and that was 4 years ago now.

 

[Han Solo]

Maybe. But regardless of who achieved it, it wasn’t much . Derby were bottom of the Championship at the time but climbed to 18th, eight points clear of the relegation zone, but a late-season slump saw them survive by just a point. That short run to 18th was as good as it ever got for Wayne the manager and that was 4 years ago now.

Nah. The 2021/22 season when they got relegated (due to the 21 point deduction) was the best success Rooney has had so far and imho it was an almost Leicester-like achievement.

Derby were under administration and a transfer embargo, meaning they had 9 teenagers, pretty much all of them coming from their own academy, playing 20+ games with a further seven or so also featuring occasionally, while also adding the number of free transfers they could, signing pbunch of elsewhere undesired free transfers like Richard Stearman, Curtis Davies, Sam Baldock and Ravel Morrison, all of which may have been forced to retire or look in the divisions below if they wanted to continue playing.

Without the point deduction, this team - quite possibly the on paper comparatively weakest team in Championship history - would have finished in the lower parts of the mid table. Absolutely amazing achievement and I don't understand how it could have been done if he is as shit as people claim he is.

 

[hart's shirt]

Thoughts and prayers for BBC Sport presenters who will have to find some way of coping with the name change.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Nah. The 2021/22 season when they got relegated (due to the 21 point deduction) was the best success Rooney has had so far and imho it was an almost Leicester-like achievement.

Derby were under administration and a transfer embargo, meaning they had 9 teenagers, pretty much all of them coming from their own academy, playing 20+ games with a further seven or so also featuring occasionally, while also adding the number of free transfers they could, signing pbunch of elsewhere undesired free transfers like Richard Stearman, Curtis Davies, Sam Baldock and Ravel Morrison, all of which may have been forced to retire or look in the divisions below if they wanted to continue playing.

Without the point deduction, this team - quite possibly the on paper comparatively weakest team in Championship history - would have finished in the lower parts of the mid table. Absolutely amazing achievement and I don't understand how it could have been done if he is as shit as people claim he is.

“Leicester like achievement” “undesired free transfers like Richard Stearman, Curtis Davies, Sam Baldock and Ravel Morrison”

Without the points deduction they’d have finished 18th, Stearman et al are seasoned Champuinship campaigners and Baldock aside, all former internationals.

crikey, you’ve really spun this to fit your agenda.

He’s an appalling manager no matter which way you cut this.

 

[MikeHimself]

“Leicester like achievement” “undesired free transfers like Richard Stearman, Curtis Davies, Sam Baldock and Ravel Morrison”

Without the points deduction they’d have finished 18th, Stearman et al are seasoned Champuinship campaigners. crikey, you’ve really spun this to fit your agenda.

He’s an appalling manager no matter which way you cut this.

But was he “sacked”?

 

[Han Solo]

“Leicester like achievement” “undesired free transfers like Richard Stearman, Curtis Davies, Sam Baldock and Ravel Morrison”

Without the points deduction they’d have finished 18th, Stearman et al are seasoned Champuinship campaigners and Baldock aside, all former internationals.

crikey, you’ve really spun this to fit your agenda.

He’s an appalling manager no matter which way you cut this.

Well, if I search for your posts about Rooney I'd say you have always hated the man (and his wife..?) and maybe not in the best position to judge his ability as a manager fairly...

I've shrugged at Rooney since the day he broke through.. and as such I don't think a 35-year old Richard Stearman or a Sam Baldock fit enough to play in 13 games should have managed to get anywhere near 55 points that season. 20 maybe.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well, if I search for your posts about Rooney I'd say you have always hated the man (and his wife..?) and maybe not in the best position to judge his ability as a manager fairly...

I've shrugged at Rooney since the day he broke through.. and as such I don't think a 35-year old Richard Stearman or a Sam Baldock fit enough to play in 13 games should have managed to get anywhere near 55 points that season. 20 maybe.

I admit I feel Rooney was over-rated as a footballer. He was good, but very much a flat-track bully and nowhere near the world class level others claimed. He rarely, if ever, dictated big games like the truly world class do. More often he choked.

As a manager, I see absolutely nothing in his locker.

If you feel he’s got managerial potential, fine. But it will take a lot more than one season finishing “18th” to convince me.