[Albion] Watching the game with a Palace fan

[Nameless]

I am very critical, because we did not win (again) against a rubbish Crystal Palace team that entered our box about three times throughout the match. But we did not trouble the goalkeeper at all, Maupay hit a shot from the edge of the area which was essentially a backpass. He rolled one toward the goal which was easily stopped. Guaita is not a great goalkeeper but other than the Mac Allister strike, he was not put under any real pressure. If he had been, we'd have won the game. Same as last season where we dominated the whole match but didn't do enough in the final 3rd.

On paper, we are very good. On the pitch, we are winning about 1 in 5 matches. This is because for all the good statistics, we are not winning matches. That is no more negative than it is a valid and fair reflection on the current state of our results. Our performances are very good, our results are very poor unless you believe we should only ever be under the impression that we should be somewhere between 15th and 17th every season.

Finally, I would say that I am not negative about the football club. I am not happy with Graham Potter's performance. This club is set up very impressively off the pitch and the squad assembled on the pitch is incredible. I believe that other managers would be getting an awful lot more from the footballers than Potter is. I believe he is the weakest link in the chain at the club but this is his show. His squad, his tactics, his decisions. He has been here over a year but the problems are the same. We aren't getting put away in many games, but we also aren't able to put distance between us and our opposition. Except at Newcastle where we were fortunate to score twice in 10 minutes.

We have to get a ruthless streak in the final third and win games in 10/15/20 minute spells when we are totally on top, like we were pretty much all match today without ever really putting them under the sort of pressure that results in goals being scored.

I don't expect people to agree, I'm simply giving my honest assessment of the match and our performances under this manager.

You cannot be a Brighton supporter.. We're in the top flight dominating established teams week in week out, getting shafted by terrible decisions and you're blaming Potter.

 

[dangull]

There is a reason that England had one of the most embarrassing performances I have ever seen against Iceland a few years ago.

 

[Badger Boy]

GP has achieved our highest Premier League point total in his first season whilst completely transforming our clubs footballing philosophy and style. We also now compete in all games home and away (unlike the Hughton back to the wall days). So that’s worth remembering. The challenge this season is to improve on that.

In that context, judging after 5 games of a new season doesn’t make sense.

Im dissatisfied with today’s result too. But I’m not sure what your overall expectations are. You think we should have turned over billionaires Chelsea, Everton and Man Utd?

I don't disagree with you - I'm not making any final judgements and nor am I saying we should fire him or be looking at a replacement. But I am saying that, based on what we've seen so far, I think he has the strongest hand of any Brighton and Hove Albion manager in the history of our club.

My expectation is that we shouldn't be satisfied with not losing a game thanks to a late equaliser against a team who didn't play football against us. My expectation is that we should win more games than we are. My expectation is not that we go to Everton and win, but I do believe we should go to Palace and if they play like they did and we play like we do, we should win. We failed to do so today, as we did last season at Selhurst Park and at home.

I don't believe we are in a position to write off any game as being beyond our capability of winning. Our football team is very good and in my opinion, our players are good enough that they can win any match. But we rarely win, about 1 in 5. With the strongest squad we have ever had and if this season doesn't go as last season did, we may never have a stronger squad than we do now.

 

[Mr Putdown]

As two of them were against Manchester United and the league leaders, surely not that bad really.

Didnt palace beat Manchester United and were punished by a dubious VAR awarded penalty against Everton?

This season will be interesting, I reckon we’ll end up a few points apart, but both teams safe from relegation,

 

[Sheebo]

I am very critical, because we did not win (again) against a rubbish Crystal Palace team that entered our box about three times throughout the match. But we did not trouble the goalkeeper at all, Maupay hit a shot from the edge of the area which was essentially a backpass. He rolled one toward the goal which was easily stopped. Guaita is not a great goalkeeper but other than the Mac Allister strike, he was not put under any real pressure. If he had been, we'd have won the game. Same as last season where we dominated the whole match but didn't do enough in the final 3rd.

On paper, we are very good. On the pitch, we are winning about 1 in 5 matches. This is because for all the good statistics, we are not winning matches. That is no more negative than it is a valid and fair reflection on the current state of our results. Our performances are very good, our results are very poor unless you believe we should only ever be under the impression that we should be somewhere between 15th and 17th every season.

Finally, I would say that I am not negative about the football club. I am not happy with Graham Potter's performance. This club is set up very impressively off the pitch and the squad assembled on the pitch is incredible. I believe that other managers would be getting an awful lot more from the footballers than Potter is. I believe he is the weakest link in the chain at the club but this is his show. His squad, his tactics, his decisions. He has been here over a year but the problems are the same. We aren't getting put away in many games, but we also aren't able to put distance between us and our opposition. Except at Newcastle where we were fortunate to score twice in 10 minutes.

We have to get a ruthless streak in the final third and win games in 10/15/20 minute spells when we are totally on top, like we were pretty much all match today without ever really putting them under the sort of pressure that results in goals being scored.

I don't expect people to agree, I'm simply giving my honest assessment of the match and our performances under this manager.

I agree with most of what you say but all your posts seem a little negative. Maybe you’re just more critical! We weren’t fortunate to score 2 quickly v Newcastle - we totally deserved that.

 

[nicko31]

I can honestly say, and I was thinking this all the way along..

Thank Feck we have a team who try to play - and a manager like Potter. They were:

Anti football
Didn’t actually have a normal shot
Didn’t actually threaten once (offside one doesn’t count)
Time wasted pathetically for 75+ mins
Kicked the ball away to waste time / tried to wrestle the ball off our players to waste time
Had 1 shot which was a pen
Had a player (the diver) whos only influence on the game was to whinge at everyone and everything (no, taking a pen doesn’t count as participating)
Dived and moaned
Got away with several fouls and yellow cards
Feigned several injuries
Put together about 7 passes all game
Stuck 10 behind the ball for 100 mins

I could go on.

Almost feel sorry for CPFC2010 supporters for having to watch this shite every week

 

[Sheebo]

Didnt palace beat Manchester United and were punished by a dubious VAR awarded penalty against Everton?

This season will be interesting, I reckon we’ll end up a few points apart, but both teams safe from relegation,

I agree your Everton one was a joke but so was your one you got v Mancs and the one today was even worse. No excuses today, Palace were woeful and that style of football horrible. Yes I imagine you’re right we’ll be close and safe but I know what I’d rather watch every week - and I was very critical when we played similar style towards the end of CH reign so no I’m not just saying it!

 

[Seasidesage]

I am very critical, because we did not win (again) against a rubbish Crystal Palace team that entered our box about three times throughout the match. But we did not trouble the goalkeeper at all, Maupay hit a shot from the edge of the area which was essentially a backpass. He rolled one toward the goal which was easily stopped. Guaita is not a great goalkeeper but other than the Mac Allister strike, he was not put under any real pressure. If he had been, we'd have won the game. Same as last season where we dominated the whole match but didn't do enough in the final 3rd.

On paper, we are very good. On the pitch, we are winning about 1 in 5 matches. This is because for all the good statistics, we are not winning matches. That is no more negative than it is a valid and fair reflection on the current state of our results. Our performances are very good, our results are very poor unless you believe we should only ever be under the impression that we should be somewhere between 15th and 17th every season.

Finally, I would say that I am not negative about the football club. I am not happy with Graham Potter's performance. This club is set up very impressively off the pitch and the squad assembled on the pitch is incredible. I believe that other managers would be getting an awful lot more from the footballers than Potter is. I believe he is the weakest link in the chain at the club but this is his show. His squad, his tactics, his decisions. He has been here over a year but the problems are the same. We aren't getting put away in many games, but we also aren't able to put distance between us and our opposition. Except at Newcastle where we were fortunate to score twice in 10 minutes.

We have to get a ruthless streak in the final third and win games in 10/15/20 minute spells when we are totally on top, like we were pretty much all match today without ever really putting them under the sort of pressure that results in goals being scored.

I don't expect people to agree, I'm simply giving my honest assessment of the match and our performances under this manager.

Truly world class bollocks well done...

 

[dadams2k11]

I agree, hopefully Welbeck will make a difference if we can get him fit.

Is Wellbeck not fit then?

 

[Badger Boy]

I agree with most of what you say but all your posts seem a little negative. Maybe you’re just more critical! We weren’t fortunate to score 2 quickly v Newcastle - we totally deserved that.

I come on here to be critical, because that's what it's for.

We took two early chances against Newcastle and that game became easy. Today was treated the same, but without the 2 goal lead and the game comfortably won. There was not the urgency required in order to try and win the game. We should have woken up, played with some urgency and scored the goals required to win the game. We didn't, and therefore I criticise the team for not winning the game. Which they didn't do, for all the possession stats and the shots off target stat. Agree or not, that's the truth from this match.

 

[Sheebo]

I come on here to be critical, because that's what it's for.

We took two early chances against Newcastle and that game became easy. Today was treated the same, but without the 2 goal lead and the game comfortably won. There was not the urgency required in order to try and win the game. We should have woken up, played with some urgency and scored the goals required to win the game. We didn't, and therefore I criticise the team for not winning the game. Which they didn't do, for all the possession stats and the shots off target stat. Agree or not, that's the truth from this match.

On another day we’d have won by 3 or 4 but yes we didn’t take our chances and there’s huge room for improvement in the final third. There are also a dozen really positive things to say on today and they will he said. Why do you think NSC is just to be critical on? That’s so far off the mark for what I think it is here for. Yes, nothing wrong with criticism when deserved but if it’s coming from the same posters constantly without anything positive in between it becomes annoying!

 

[Mackenzie]

Is Wellbeck not fit then?

I wouldn’t have thought so. He hasn’t played all season.

 

[portlock seagull]

GP has achieved our highest Premier League point total in his first season whilst completely transforming our clubs footballing philosophy and style. We also now compete in all games home and away (unlike the Hughton back to the wall days). So that’s worth remembering. The challenge this season is to improve on that.

In that context, judging after 5 games of a new season doesn’t make sense.

Im dissatisfied with today’s result too. But I’m not sure what your overall expectations are. You think we should have turned over billionaires Chelsea, Everton and Man Utd?

I thought Potter was here all of last season too? Didn’t Palace beat Man U at Old Trafford a few weeks ago? And last season for that matter? Look, we’re about where I expect us to be and remain for the rest of the season. We’re not good enough to beat the elite. Whilst we can’t break down supposedly inferior sides like Palace, we’ve proved that three matches on the trot against them now, so constantly drop points in these types matches too. Yes, the brand is better. But the actual number of points, which is the deciding measurement after all, doesn’t match the hyperbole surrounding Potter. We’re just prettier losers. But still losers. Far play to him for sticking to his philosophy but will people be applauding it if we go down? Or asking why, if the players aren’t good enough to fit the system and a club like us will never be able to afford such players, did we not try to get results another way? That’s what’s so depressing about the modern game and the PL. Try and compete in terms of style and you get annihilated by the elite clubs. Which encourages a safety first mentality and a set up like Palace. Dull to watch but quite effective in terms of getting results. The gap in resources maintains this, and most of all, extinguishes any hope we will be able to improve both style and points accumulated each season. That’s what’s most depressing about football and the PL these days. The realisation that even with a billionaire owner, you cannot compete for honours like the old days.

 

[rogersix]

All well and good, but at the end of the day that's three games on the trot we've dominated them completely and not won any of them. Becoming rather frustrating this whole dominating games and not winning lark

it's a lot more relaxing and hopeful than the arse end of hughton's reign

 

[rogersix]

I am very critical, because we did not win (again) against a rubbish Crystal Palace team that entered our box about three times throughout the match. But we did not trouble the goalkeeper at all, Maupay hit a shot from the edge of the area which was essentially a backpass. He rolled one toward the goal which was easily stopped. Guaita is not a great goalkeeper but other than the Mac Allister strike, he was not put under any real pressure. If he had been, we'd have won the game. Same as last season where we dominated the whole match but didn't do enough in the final 3rd.

On paper, we are very good. On the pitch, we are winning about 1 in 5 matches. This is because for all the good statistics, we are not winning matches. That is no more negative than it is a valid and fair reflection on the current state of our results. Our performances are very good, our results are very poor unless you believe we should only ever be under the impression that we should be somewhere between 15th and 17th every season.

Finally, I would say that I am not negative about the football club. I am not happy with Graham Potter's performance. This club is set up very impressively off the pitch and the squad assembled on the pitch is incredible. I believe that other managers would be getting an awful lot more from the footballers than Potter is. I believe he is the weakest link in the chain at the club but this is his show. His squad, his tactics, his decisions. He has been here over a year but the problems are the same. We aren't getting put away in many games, but we also aren't able to put distance between us and our opposition. Except at Newcastle where we were fortunate to score twice in 10 minutes.

We have to get a ruthless streak in the final third and win games in 10/15/20 minute spells when we are totally on top, like we were pretty much all match today without ever really putting them under the sort of pressure that results in goals being scored.

I don't expect people to agree, I'm simply giving my honest assessment of the match and our performances under this manager.

christ on a bike, potter out? really?

who would you have instead?

 

[sydney]

I can honestly say, and I was thinking this all the way along..

Thank Feck we have a team who try to play - and a manager like Potter. They were:

Anti football
Didn’t actually have a normal shot
Didn’t actually threaten once (offside one doesn’t count)
Time wasted pathetically for 75+ mins
Kicked the ball away to waste time / tried to wrestle the ball off our players to waste time
Had 1 shot which was a pen
Had a player (the diver) whos only influence on the game was to whinge at everyone and everything (no, taking a pen doesn’t count as participating)
Dived and moaned
Got away with several fouls and yellow cards
Feigned several injuries
Put together about 7 passes all game
Stuck 10 behind the ball for 100 mins

I could go on.

i thought we outplayed them for most of the game and were unlucky to only get a point .

 

[Icy Gull]

I come on here to be critical, because that's what it's for.

We took two early chances against Newcastle and that game became easy. Today was treated the same, but without the 2 goal lead and the game comfortably won. There was not the urgency required in order to try and win the game. We should have woken up, played with some urgency and scored the goals required to win the game. We didn't, and therefore I criticise the team for not winning the game. Which they didn't do, for all the possession stats and the shots off target stat. Agree or not, that's the truth from this match.

I confess that I was seriously pissed off with our lack of urgency in the first half and fully expected us to be caught on the break a couple more times in the second half. We were much much better in the second half and deserved the equaliser. Don’t forget that Palace often frustrate better teams than us with their solid defensive displays.

Your Potter musings are ridiculous though, you need to stand back and look at the big picture. We are unrecognisable from the team Potter inherited and a joy to watch most of the time. Your problem if you can’t see the changes of tactics he makes during games.

 

[lost in london]

I am very critical, because we did not win (again) against a rubbish Crystal Palace team that entered our box about three times throughout the match. But we did not trouble the goalkeeper at all, Maupay hit a shot from the edge of the area which was essentially a backpass. He rolled one toward the goal which was easily stopped. Guaita is not a great goalkeeper but other than the Mac Allister strike, he was not put under any real pressure. If he had been, we'd have won the game. Same as last season where we dominated the whole match but didn't do enough in the final 3rd.

On paper, we are very good. On the pitch, we are winning about 1 in 5 matches. This is because for all the good statistics, we are not winning matches. That is no more negative than it is a valid and fair reflection on the current state of our results. Our performances are very good, our results are very poor unless you believe we should only ever be under the impression that we should be somewhere between 15th and 17th every season.

Finally, I would say that I am not negative about the football club. I am not happy with Graham Potter's performance. This club is set up very impressively off the pitch and the squad assembled on the pitch is incredible. I believe that other managers would be getting an awful lot more from the footballers than Potter is. I believe he is the weakest link in the chain at the club but this is his show. His squad, his tactics, his decisions. He has been here over a year but the problems are the same. We aren't getting put away in many games, but we also aren't able to put distance between us and our opposition. Except at Newcastle where we were fortunate to score twice in 10 minutes.

We have to get a ruthless streak in the final third and win games in 10/15/20 minute spells when we are totally on top, like we were pretty much all match today without ever really putting them under the sort of pressure that results in goals being scored.

I don't expect people to agree, I'm simply giving my honest assessment of the match and our performances under this manager.

So your analysis is that we should win more?

Everyone thinks that. But the vast majority of people are sensible enough to realise that we're new to this, playing in one of the best leagues and up against the best defenders in the world, and it's not simply as easy as just saying 'win more'.

Cheer up, enjoy what you're watching because, as you say, the performances are very good. The results will come.

 

[Badger Boy]

I've specifically said I'm not advocating "Potter Out". That's not what we need and going back to the start with a new manager won't help us. We're very close to being a good team, but we've been saying that for 12 months. Currently, I think he's overrated but we'll see how the season pans out.

 

[SittingbourneSeagull]

I come on here to be critical, because that's what it's for.

We took two early chances against Newcastle and that game became easy. Today was treated the same, but without the 2 goal lead and the game comfortably won. There was not the urgency required in order to try and win the game. We should have woken up, played with some urgency and scored the goals required to win the game. We didn't, and therefore I criticise the team for not winning the game. Which they didn't do, for all the possession stats and the shots off target stat. Agree or not, that's the truth from this match.

But that's true of any game, if you take your chances the game becomes easier.If we had scored first they would have had to come out and that would have created gaps. Today we didn't have many clear cut chances because Palace didn't try to play.
It is frustrating dominating games like this and not winning, but we are probably a striker and bit of luck away from hammering someone.