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[Football] Was our season determined in the summer transfer window







Bry Nylon

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The extra 3 goals could have been another 9 points, just saying.

How could the extra 3 goals have been another 9 points? Assuming they were goals that turned 3 draws into victories then it would be 6 points.
Assuming they were goals that turned one losing position into a winning position and one losing position into a draw they would be worth 4 points.

I think. Not that it really matters.
 


OzMike

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Oct 2, 2006
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Maybe the problem is that he’s not that tall? I’m assuming that you’re about 4ft 10” if you classify 5ft 10” as tall? [emoji23]

Most of the best strikers are short and nippy, weaving around the slow giants and stinging like a bee.
 


blue-shifted

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No point in talking about Watkins, we were never seriously in the running for him. Villa were always going to pay 25% higher for him in wages than we would

Nunez possibly could have signed, though more likely we were the helpful idiots who were just forcing up the wages he was getting from Benfica.

It's a tough, tough market with very few quality players and a lot of clubs involved.

It's like buying shares, the trick is to get in early, the year before they start banging the goals in. But that's an imprecise science. You end up with a few Locadia's on your books.
 


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Locadia wasn't good enough. Andone hard to judge I feel we don't have the full picture, I think it was a personality / dressing room coherence issue.

Yes we didn't buy immediately, but we did promote Connolley who has done okay, and we have since brought in Welbeck and Zeqiri.

The real question mark for me was shipping off Murray.

The dressing room thing has been reliably put to bed by someone in the know. Andone seems to be perfectly popular with the other players.

As for Murrayoffside, 23 appearances and one league goal in 2019-20. Six games and no goals for Watford, this seasn, plus seven games and two goals for Forest. His strike rate in this time is slightly below that of Big Jurgs. :shrug:
 




blue-shifted

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Most of the best strikers are short and nippy, weaving around the slow giants and stinging like a bee.

Which striker has scored the most goals in European football for the last couple of years?
 




blue-shifted

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The dressing room thing has been reliably put to bed by someone in the know. Andone seems to be perfectly popular with the other players.

As for Murrayoffside, 23 appearances and one league goal in 2019-20. Six games and no goals for Watford, this seasn, plus seven games and two goals for Forest. His strike rate in this time is slightly below that of Big Jurgs. :shrug:

Not happy with that tone towards Sir Glenn.

I think we can just leave it by saying that at 37, time catches up with us all and he wasn't going to improve a PL team at that age
 




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Not happy with that tone towards Sir Glenn.

I think we can just leave it by saying that at 37, time catches up with us all and he wasn't going to improve a PL team at that age

I was responding to someone who apparently has no idea how we could have been so utterly foolish as to let him go.

People can be so binary some times :shrug:

Sorry what I meant was how could you be so completely and utterly wrong? ??? :wink:
 




blue-shifted

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I was responding to someone who apparently has no idea how we could have been so utterly foolish as to let him go.

People can be so binary some times :shrug:

Sorry what I meant was how could you be so completely and utterly wrong? ??? :wink:

I assure you i'm completely non binary

But yes, i'll read the thread thoroughly in future before issuing admonishment :)
 




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Haaland, Lewandowski, Jimenez, Muzza in his day, Shearer too, Kane ... all seemed to shrug off the disability of being tall centre forwards.

Yeh, you wouldn't want the handicap of being able to tower over a centre back and stick a header in the net
 


Beanstalk

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Maupay has 7

Watkins has 10

This.

Antonio has 7. Mane has 7. Abraham has 6. Firmino has 6. Cavani has 6. Werner has 5. Che Adams has 4.Gabriel Jesus has 4.Richarlison has 4. Chris Wood has 4.

But Neal is a pathetic striker who is our main problem. He's performing at about the same rate as Lacazette, Giroud and Firmino normally do.

Up front isn't the problem. Our midfielders have the same amount of goals as Neal, combined. They also tend to have around double the amount of shots.
 


Weststander

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Yeh, you wouldn't want the handicap of being able to tower over a centre back and stick a header in the net

I get the argument of playing two or three mobile, not the tallest, forwards. But imho that works when they’re truly exceptional players and scorers. More than making up for a lack of a target man. (ManC, and LFC before this season). We don’t operate in that transfer market.
 




vagabond

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If we’re looking for a “moment” this can all be pinned to, to me it was the decision to bin off Andone and Locadia a week or so after the transfer window shut in the summer of 2019 and then not replace them ever since.

Fine, Potter decided they weren’t the strikers he wanted - I’ve no real problem with that. But:

- Why spend the whole pre-season, entire transfer window and first couple of games acting as if they were part of the plans, if actually they weren’t?*

- Having then made that ‘bold’ call, why do nothing to replace them ever since, across three transfer windows now? (Unless you count bringing in Wellbeck, who - no disrespect - hardly smacks of a long-term/major plan).


*And in case anyone wants to leap in and say “it was all because of Andone’s reckless challenge against Southampton”, well, ok, but that seems to have become a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. I’d say we’ve ended up punishing ourselves more than him for that.


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100% correct.

Never replaced them. I think one reason we changed plans was the emergence of Connolly. Whilst the club wouldn’t admit to this in public (and for absolutely fair reasons), they may have hoped he was going to kick on and be the answer. Especially after those 2 goals vs Spurs. It really felt like he could be an exceptional talent. I still think he’s good. And has decent potential, but not at the top level we would have secretly hoped.
 


yxee

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The dressing room thing has been reliably put to bed by someone in the know. Andone seems to be perfectly popular with the other players.

As for Murrayoffside, 23 appearances and one league goal in 2019-20. Six games and no goals for Watford, this seasn, plus seven games and two goals for Forest. His strike rate in this time is slightly below that of Big Jurgs. :shrug:

That's nice, I wasn't aware of the dressing room thing being wrong, I'll very happily forget that rumour!

Perhaps a bit of rose tinted glasses with Murray too.
 


Seasider78

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Nov 14, 2004
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Shame we could not get this one over the line whilst was still in our price range

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theargus.co.uk/sport/18651824.amp/

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That's nice, I wasn't aware of the dressing room thing being wrong, I'll very happily forget that rumour!

Perhaps a bit of rose tinted glasses with Murray too.

:thumbsup: :smile:
 




Swansman

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100% correct.

Never replaced them. I think one reason we changed plans was the emergence of Connolly. Whilst the club wouldn’t admit to this in public (and for absolutely fair reasons), they may have hoped he was going to kick on and be the answer. Especially after those 2 goals vs Spurs. It really felt like he could be an exceptional talent. I still think he’s good. And has decent potential, but not at the top level we would have secretly hoped.

Locadia & Andone were both loaned out before that Tottenham game.
 




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