Was Enoch Powell correct?

[Pretty pink fairy]

By "the black man" Powell undoubtedly had in mind members of the Afro-Caribbean community and Hindu Indian community who had been migrating to the West Midlands in the 1960s. His prognostications were plainly wrong.

yes he probably did, but immigration on the scale we've seen has brought the Muslim faith problem to our door steps
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DR

 

[beorhthelm]

ONLY A MATTER OF TIME, IT'S HAPPENED IN PLACES LIKE OLDHAM ................. wake up !!!!! AND YOU RECKON THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE ATTACK FFS, YOU ARE A DIN OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
regards
DR

ah of course, because no crime or heinous act has ever been perpetrated by the indiginous population. never makes it right, and by Odin those communities need to sort themselves out, but that does not mean we have wholesale violence which is the forecast of Powell. or are you just misunderstaning or ignorant of the question and its background? or just want to explode incidents to common occurance to suit your world view "see, told you" in sense of glorious self satisfacion. well done you.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

ah of course, because no crime or heinous act has ever been perpetrated by the indiginous population. never makes it right, and by Odin those communities need to sort themselves out, but that does not mean we have wholesale violence which is the forecast of Powell. or are you just misunderstaning or ignorant of the question and its background? or just want to explode incidents to common occurance to suit your world view "see, told you" in sense of glorious self satisfacion. well done you.

what a load of spin
regards
DR

 

[Creaky]

Put like this, then you most certainly have a point, as what you mention cannot be defended at all. But those who say "he was right" are not really referring to this, are they? Just that they feel that the "rivers of blood" is what could happen in the future, as relations between the christian and muslim communities get ever worse. And would you bet against future conflict, abhorrent as the thought is?

His metaphors and anecdotes in that speech referred to what he believed would happen if the Race Relations Bill was passed into law - none of which happened - quite the contrary the vast majority of the population embraced the new law.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Put like this, then you most certainly have a point, as what you mention cannot be defended at all. But those who say "he was right" are not really referring to this, are they? Just that they feel that the "rivers of blood" is what could happen in the future, as relations between the christian and muslim communities get ever worse. And would you bet against future conflict, abhorrent as the thought is?

I must be missing something.

Where is the evidence that Christianity is lining up its members to take on the Muslims?

 

[Eeyore]

By "the black man" Powell undoubtedly had in mind members of the Afro-Caribbean community and Hindu Indian community who had been migrating to the West Midlands in the 1960s. His prognostications were plainly wrong.

An important point. But lost on those who refer to the speach, but have never read its text.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I must be missing something.

Where is the evidence that Christianity is lining up its members to take on the Muslims?

ask the pentagon
regards
DR

 

[looney]

As regards his most famous speach- has anyone ever read the full text ? It's quite an interesting read.

Has the black man got the 'whip hand' yet ? Only I think he said 'fifteen years'. I make that 1983.

Heard a saying,if you want to know whos reallyin power who cant you critisise?

 

[TonyW]

I have asked before and I would still say yes,

The uncontrolled immigration and war in the the middle east is bringing blood to our streets and countries

Oh yes.

 

[Albion Dan]

I'm pretty sure (even by Tony Blairs admission) that going over to Iraq and starting a war that led to over 200000 innocent people being blown to pieces and completely destroying stability in that country has a bit more to do with IS and our current predicament than an open border policy.

 

[Hastings gull]

I must be missing something.

Where is the evidence that Christianity is lining up its members to take on the Muslims?

What a stupid post -you know exactly what was meant. So do you think that future conflict can be avoided?

 

[Eeyore]

Have you added VAT though?

Wasn't introduced till five years after Wolverhampton.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What a stupid post -you know exactly what was meant. So do you think that future conflict can be avoided?

i've seen more swerves in this thread than watching a drink driver
regards
DR

 

[Hastings gull]

i've seen more swerves in this thread than watching a drink driver
regards
DR

I will drink to that.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

What a stupid post -you know exactly what was meant. So do you think that future conflict can be avoided?

No I don't know what was meant. It was you who brought "Christians" into this debate.

I'm beginning to think you mean "white people". Or am I wrong?

As for avoiding future conflict, the first step I would take would be to do something about the growth of racism.

 

[Hastings gull]

No I don't know what was meant. It was you who brought "Christians" into this debate.

I'm beginning to think you mean "white people". Or am I wrong?

try muslims and indigenous population.

 

[neilbard]

Eve of Destruction!

 

[smudge]

No.

But I wager that this guy is correct:

Spot on that.

 

[neilbard]

Once you let Immigrants or Migrants form there own communities integration is dead the mistakes were made 70yrs ago in this country!

 

[Buzzer]

Simple answer - an emphatic NO. He wasn't right. His speech was about a different people in a different time and by and large the people he was referring to have assimilated into British life extraordinarily well and have enriched this country and are as proud to be British as I am.