War is a racket - Corporations, Fascism & Major General Smedley D. Butler

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dingodan

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Some interesting history most are unaware of.

Smedley D. Butler was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death was the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

In November 1934, Butler alleged the existence of a political conspiracy of Wall Street interests to overthrow President Roosevelt, a series of allegations that came to be known in the media as the Business Plot.

This video includes some of Butler's testimony to The McCormack-Dickstein committee, whom he notified about the plot. It also includes some interesting information about the historical and contemporary relationships between large U.S. corporations and fascist regimes in Europe. It's an interesting watch.



-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
 
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Bevendean Hillbilly

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When he made this observation Hitler and Japan had yet to f*** his theory up the arse.

Discuss.
 




Dandyman

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When he made this observation Hitler and Japan had yet to f*** his theory up the arse.

Discuss.

Japanese Imperialism was a business enterprise and Hitler was sponsored by German Bankers and Big Business (as was Mussolini).
 


dingodan

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Japanese Imperialism was a business enterprise and Hitler was sponsored by German Bankers and Big Business (as was Mussolini).

Not just German Bankers and Big Business. IBM, Coca Cola, Union Banking Corporation of New York (which had W. Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush as two of it's seven directors at the time, and was eventually seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917).
 




Bevendean Hillbilly

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Not just German Bankers and Big Business. IBM, Coca Cola, Union Banking Corporation of New York (which had W. Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush as two of it's seven directors at the time, and was eventually seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917).

National Socialism was an ideology not a business opportunity. Just because some financiers got into bed with Hitler once he seized power does not mean that business sponsored nazism. Militarism and German rearmament meant that arms manufacturers and heavy industry did rather well out of the third reich but this doesn't mean that it was founded by their vested interest. I think that, once again, you are trying to fit events to match your peculiar worldview rather than basing your opinion on fact.
 


dingodan

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National Socialism was an ideology not a business opportunity. Just because some financiers got into bed with Hitler once he seized power does not mean that business sponsored nazism. Militarism and German rearmament meant that arms manufacturers and heavy industry did rather well out of the third reich but this doesn't mean that it was founded by their vested interest. I think that, once again, you are trying to fit events to match your peculiar worldview rather than basing your opinion on fact.

Oh Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

:rolleyes:
 






The Fifth Column

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WW2 - 60 million dead, dozens of entire countries laid waste and destroyed, economies in ruins and those that escaped mass destruction left in debt for decades, even major corporations went out of business and many went to the wall. A collection of rambling comments from some unknown general made 6/7 years before the war has no connection, validity or bearing to its causes or outcomes. It is impossible to simplify the causes of war and the direction it takes as so many things have a part to play including your common everyday person, businesses, politicians and military men. It would seem the OP is alluding to yet another conspiracy theory (not necessarily by him but in general) but the fact is War just tends to happen for a thousand reasons that all happen to come together at once. You could argue that this is not the case and in the case of Hitler that he ordered his nation to war, but the fact is there were still a thousand reasons why this happened in the first place that led a nation to follow him into that abyss. I think the 9 minute youtube clip is of passing historical interest but represents a viewpoint rather than fact and proves or disproves nothing at all.
 


dingodan

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WW2 - 60 million dead, dozens of entire countries laid waste and destroyed, economies in ruins and those that escaped mass destruction left in debt for decades, even major corporations went out of business and many went to the wall. A collection of rambling comments from some unknown general made 6/7 years before the war has no connection, validity or bearing to its causes or outcomes. It is impossible to simplify the causes of war and the direction it takes as so many things have a part to play including your common everyday person, businesses, politicians and military men. It would seem the OP is alluding to yet another conspiracy theory (not necessarily by him but in general) but the fact is War just tends to happen for a thousand reasons that all happen to come together at once. You could argue that this is not the case and in the case of Hitler that he ordered his nation to war, but the fact is there were still a thousand reasons why this happened in the first place that led a nation to follow him into that abyss. I think the 9 minute youtube clip is of passing historical interest but represents a viewpoint rather than fact and proves or disproves nothing at all.

As with [MENTION=5076]Bevendean Hillbilly[/MENTION], in your eagerness to express your opinion, you did not take the time to think about the point that was being made here.
 


The Fifth Column

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As with [MENTION=5076]Bevendean Hillbilly[/MENTION], in your eagerness to express your opinion, you did not take the time to think about the point that was being made here.

Sorry I didn't realise you didn't want opinions on an Internet message board, so what was your point please enlighten us all? And once you've done that perhaps you could also enlighten me on the point of your posting it on the Internet if you didn't want people to voice an opinion. And I don't mean to be rude but if you are going to adopt such a condescending tone to your replies then expect much the same back.
 






dingodan

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Sorry I didn't realise you didn't want opinions on an Internet message board, so what was your point please enlighten us all? And once you've done that perhaps you could also enlighten me on the point of your posting it on the Internet if you didn't want people to voice an opinion. And I don't mean to be rude but if you are going to adopt such a condescending tone to your replies then expect much the same back.

Sorry if you thought I was being condescending, it just seemed like you responded without actually thinking about the point that was being made, which is all I said. You said that your opinion was that WWII was not caused by/started for big business interests. But that was not the point at all, it wasn't suggested in the post or the video.

And when you say things like "rambling comments" and "some unknown general" it suggests that you come at this with a certain degree of prejudice, which also makes it likely that you might respond in a reactive way, without really trying to understand the point being made, which apparently you didn't.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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As with [MENTION=5076]Bevendean Hillbilly[/MENTION], in your eagerness to express your opinion, you did not take the time to think about the point that was being made here.

Go on then [MENTION=18559]dingodan[/MENTION]...the point is?

I thought you posted the comments of a prewar US general who was of the opinion that American foreign policy of the period was driven by the self interest of the industro military complex.

I replied that the rise of fascism and Japanese expansionism and racism had rendered his musings irrelevant by the end of the 1930 s. as the ideological politicians had ended empire building for fun and profit.

Did I miss something?
 










The Fifth Column

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Sorry if you thought I was being condescending, it just seemed like you responded without actually thinking about the point that was being made, which is all I said. You said that your opinion was that WWII was not caused by/started for big business interests. But that was not the point at all, it wasn't suggested in the post or the video.

And when you say things like "rambling comments" and "some unknown general" it suggests that you come at this with a certain degree of prejudice, which also makes it likely that you might respond in a reactive way, without really trying to understand the point being made, which apparently you didn't.

I responded with no point having actually been made by you in your opening post!? All you did was a copy and paste job on some US army general who made some comments in the 1930s and as far as I can tell the only point you made was that it was interesting, a word you used 3 times and the only real comment you made. A post like that is clearly going to spark some debate and opinion hence why people have posted their opinions, something you clearly dislike as it doesn't correspond with your own opinion whatever that is since you have yet to expand on that or make your point. And you exhibit exactly the same prejudice and reactive comments in your own posts that you are accusing me of so please make your point which you omitted to do so in your original post so we can all understand exactly what it is you are trying to get across here.

So in short yes it is interesting to a degree and yes I responded without understanding the point since one was not made. Stop trying so hard to be such a smartarse and actually try and make a comment worth reading.
 






Perfidious Albion

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I have noticed that military people always cite WW2 as a justification for whatever conflict is proposed by our political leaders. They whip up a passion and we, the people follow them and it is happening more now than ever.

Call me an ageing hippie , others do, but this old song says it all for me:

"He's the universal soldier And he really is the blame
His orders comes from far away no more.

They come from him. And you and me.
And brothers can't you see. This is not the way we put an end to war"
 


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