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[Diablo]

The evidence is in the voting intentions from the data used to determine the audience.

All beyond me,does it prove your point??..If so I cry foul....If however voting intentions/Data/audience support my view I endorse it wholeheartedly.

Must go meeting Nigel for a beer.

 

[HCxUK]

Whoops.

 

[HCxUK]

Why should immigrants be deemed preferable/necessary to work within in the public sector rather than say mine or your children ?

If they are more productive and/or of a higher skill level, then why not?

 

[pastafarian]

There is just cause to get worked up about UKIP. The country has far greater problems than immigration, immigrants add far more money in to the tax system than they take out, not to mention the fact that so many immigrants work in the public sector. But even more worryingly, UKIP actively deny climate change, I just fail to see how voting UKIP would advance Britain in any way.

Is the tax revenue generated by immigrants enough to pay for the required infrastructure expansion?

 

[Hastings gull]

The evidence is in the voting intentions from the data used to determine the audience.

Apologies -I thought that you were talking in general.

 

[HCxUK]

No one is suggesting that immigration is problem number one - only you have sought to express it in such terms. Immigrants may bring in more money into the tax system, though I am dubious about any stats that simply reflect one's bias, but you conveniently ignore the problems with infrastructure and an apparently growing threat from those whose views are totally alien to British values.

My problem with UKIP goes a lot deeper than their policies on immigration. As I said previously, they speak as though the concept of global warming is open to deliberation, they want to scrap paid maternity leave and will more or less make it legal to discriminate on the basis or gender and race in the workplace. Amongst many other things, their misogynistic values and disregard for the environment is deeply concerning and it completely baffles me as to why anyone could support such a party.

 

[HCxUK]

Is the tax revenue generated by immigrants enough to pay for the required infrastructure expansion?

Probably not, but £69.9bn in tax that is avoided every year in the UK probably could. Or perhaps the £100bn that will be spent on Trident.

 

[Hastings gull]

My problem with UKIP goes a lot deeper than their policies on immigration. As I said previously, they speak as though the concept of global warming is open to deliberation, they want to scrap paid maternity leave and will more or less make it legal to discriminate on the basis or gender and race in the workplace. Amongst many other things, their misogynistic values and disregard for the environment is deeply concerning and it completely baffles me as to why anyone could support such a party.

Thanks for the reply. I can't really talk about their policies on climate change, as I don't know enough. I am rather dubious as to what you say (highlighted). This sounds all rather too vague, and the wording of "more or less" seems more like your convenient interpretation. As to why it baffles you - in the Rochdale by-election last year, they polled over 11,000 votes in a Labour stronghold. Could it just be that those otherwise respectable folk had seen their area changed beyond recognition by what they consider to be excessive immigration, and that they feel that the mainstream parties had let them down in this respect, particular Labour who have since admitted that that they irresponsibly encouraged immigration to put one over "racists". It might baffle you but certainly didn't these people.

 

[BigGully]

If they are more productive and/or of a higher skill level, then why not?

There is nothing to suggest that they are, a swipe at British workers with lazy prejudice shouldn't be tolerated, the question is if there is a choice between an immigrant and a British citizen with similar a similar skill set then of course it should go to a British citizen thats the point and it is wholly reasonable.

 

[BensGrandad]

Cannot vote for UK IP because they would stop us bringing a striker in from Eastern Europe.

 

[Hastings gull]

Probably not, but £69.9bn in tax that is avoided every year in the UK probably could. Or perhaps the £100bn that will be spent on Trident.

Or perhaps the billions wasted on excessively generous benefits. We all have our little obsessions, don't we? As a matter of interest, I would think it a fair bet, that at some stage someone slipped you a few quid for a favour or some work you did - did you declare it voluntarily? And if you didn't, should you be lecturing about others?

 

[HCxUK]

There is nothing to suggest that they are, a swipe at British workers with lazy prejudice shouldn't be tolerated, the question is if there is a choice between an immigrant and a British citizen with similar a similar skill set then of course it should go to a British citizen thats the point and it is wholly reasonable.

Two workers being identical in skill level and attitude is a completely hypothetical situation. I have no prejudice against British or non-British workers. The more qualified/better suited individual should get the job. There should be no British or immigrant quota to fill when hiring. Furthermore, I merely stated that many immigrants work in our public sector, I never said that the majority of public sector workers were immigrants.

 

[HCxUK]

Or perhaps the billions wasted on excessively generous benefits. We all have our little obsessions, don't we? As a matter of interest, I would think it a fair bet, that at some stage someone slipped you a few quid for a favour or some work you did - did you declare it voluntarily? And if you didn't, should you be lecturing about others?

Informal employment accounts for a tiny proportion of that figure. The vast majority of that sum is from corporation tax avoidance and those on 6-7 figure salaries.

 

[BigGully]

1: Unemployment has fallen from 2.7 million to 1.8 million in the last seven years, despite immigration.
2: I haven't mentioned the NHS have I, I'm confused about that one. So not sure how I can be sneering about it.
3: You have assumed that people who come to the UK are accessing services such as the NHS, but there is little evidence to support that, as the people that come here tend to be of working age, and therefore are far less likely to use its services.
4: I am from a migrant family, I haven't targeted you in any way as far as I am aware. If I have, please accept my apologies.

The sneering comment wasnt aimed at you, but is a constant rebuke by many when immigrants and employment are mentioned.

Your initial post was undoubtedly trying to say that immigration increased demand and therefore jobs and then stated the fall in unemployment, as if an influx of nearly million immigrants had somehow initiated the decrease whilst our own unemployment stands at a million, surely without mass mainly unskilled immigration our own unemployment would be less far less, I cannot see the magic bullet that changes the sums.

You might dismiss the impact on the NHS due to age whilst not implicating the accompanying children (or children not yet born) in say education and health, whatever the age they all need accommodation and you ignore the housing pressure and so on, it seems a total lack of any perception of its consequences.

Health tourism is unfair, non linked non contributory immigrants effect treatment upstream to those British people that contribute, but yet only UKIP challenges it, usually with derision from the pro immigration lobby, it doesnt make us racist, intolerant or prejudice it just shows we are aware.

 

[HCxUK]

Thanks for the reply. I can't really talk about their policies on climate change, as I don't know enough. I am rather dubious as to what you say (highlighted). This sounds all rather too vague, and the wording of "more or less" seems more like your convenient interpretation. As to why it baffles you - in the Rochdale by-election last year, they polled over 11,000 votes in a Labour stronghold. Could it just be that those otherwise respectable folk had seen their area changed beyond recognition by what they consider to be excessive immigration, and that they feel that the mainstream parties had let them down in this respect, particular Labour who have since admitted that that they irresponsibly encouraged immigration to put one over "racists". It might baffle you but certainly didn't these people.

I say more or less as I am admittedly not an expert on UKIP policy, and wouldn't want to wrongly accuse Farage & co, however, here is the evidence I am going from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31846453 & http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigel-farage-ukip-would-axe-workplace-race-discrimination-laws-1491569. I would advise reading up on the environmental policies, didn't make for pleasant reading.

Reckless defected and took the majority of his Tory votes with him, not particularly impressive.

 

[BigGully]

Two workers being identical in skill level and attitude is a completely hypothetical situation. I have no prejudice against British or non-British workers. The more qualified/better suited individual should get the job. There should be no British or immigrant quota to fill when hiring. Furthermore, I merely stated that many immigrants work in our public sector, I never said that the majority of public sector workers were immigrants.

But if you are in Government you should be prejudiced towards your British citizens, thats who you represent and you should have the very best interests of the British people in mind and that includes employment opportunities.

If you have educated me, gave me care through the NHS, accepted our taxes and have taken our votes then you must aspire to have British citizen employed in the British workplace.

 

[El Presidente]

Your initial post was undoubtedly trying to say that immigration increased demand and therefore jobs and then stated the fall in unemployment, as if an influx of nearly million immigrants had somehow initiated the decrease whilst our own unemployment stands at a million, surely without mass mainly unskilled immigration our own unemployment would be less far less, I cannot see the magic bullet that changes the sums.

You might dismiss the impact on the NHS due to age whilst not implicating the accompanying children (or children not yet born) in say education and health, whatever the age they all need accommodation and you ignore the housing pressure and so on, it seems a total lack of any perception of its consequences.

Health tourism is unfair, non linked non contributory immigrants effect treatment upstream to those British people that contribute, but yet only UKIP challenges it, usually with derision from the pro immigration lobby, it doesnt make us racist, intolerant or prejudice it just shows we are aware.

1: Migration increases both supply and demand though.

2: I'm one of those children of migrants that you refer to, why do you hate me so much? My parents taught me respect, the value of hard work, I pay my taxes, don't claim benefits, yet you still loathe people like me. I don't understand it. My parents even returned back home so haven't been a burden to the state here, but the contempt for people like me is unabated.

3: Health tourism costs the country far less than PFI. I don't understand the focus and obsession with the less costly issue.

 

[Hastings gull]

Informal employment accounts for a tiny proportion of that figure. The vast majority of that sum is from corporation tax avoidance and those on 6-7 figure salaries.

That may or may not be true - how could you possibly be in a position to assess that - it is hardly as if anyone is going to admit to "informal employment". I don't doubt that tax avoidance is practiced (don't forget that this is quite legal, or did you mean evasion?) by those with tax advisers, and it is a question of scale, but tellingly you did not reply to my question, so whilst your point might be a question of degree, it is hardly one of principle.

 

[BigGully]

1: Migration increases both supply and demand though.

2: I'm one of those children of migrants that you refer to, why do you hate me so much? My parents taught me respect, the value of hard work, I pay my taxes, don't claim benefits, yet you still loathe people like me. I don't understand it. My parents even returned back home so haven't been a burden to the state here, but the contempt for people like me is unabated.

3: Health tourism costs the country far less than PFI. I don't understand the focus and obsession with the less costly issue.

Dont be daft, hate you I dont hate anyone, thats a cheap shot ........

PFI, whats PFI got to do with immigration ? or have a misunderstood what it stands for ?

Just because something costs less than something else doesnt somehow give it validity.

 

[HCxUK]

That may or may not be true - how could you possibly be in a position to assess that - it is hardly as if anyone is going to admit to "informal employment". I don't doubt that tax avoidance is practiced (don't forget that this is quite legal, or did you mean evasion?) by those with tax advisers, and it is a question of scale, but tellingly you did not reply to my question, so whilst your point might be a question of degree, it is hardly one of principle.

What a petty argument, I'm sure 99% of the population has partaken in some form of cash in hand work, does that mean no Briton has the right to complain about the outrageous amount of corporation and income tax that is avoided and evaded?