Vote green

[Seagull27]

i don't see that you can base a rounded political movement upon a single issue. put it this way, what is "greenism", as a ideology along side conservatism, socialism, liberalism etc. i see rehashed socialist policies, but their ultimate aims are inconsistent with the industrial world that socialism is very happy to maintain (but change ownership and control of). its a bit like having the Health party or the Education party, UK Independence party, a big focus on one issue but otherwise stealing others clothes.

when i see them up along side the other parties they dont seem to fit. maybe its their leader, while i have sympathies with the other party's objectives (even if i disagree with them or their method), i don't for the greens. all parties accept a good slice of green policy as default, like providing a health service or education is seen as a given now ( the debates are over delivery).

I think it all depends on the political system. In our current FPTP system, in the event that a majority government is elected, I agree with you. However, in a minority/coalition government I think it's completely feasible to have single issue parties, if that single issue is deemed important enough by the electorate and that the electorate feel that none of the major parties place anywhere near enough importance on that issue. This is the case with UKIP and immigration - it's supporters clearly don't feel that any of the major parties place immigration highly enough on their agenda. I'm sure many UKIP supporters would not necessarily want a UKIP majority, but they may want a representation of UKIP in government, therefore bringing immigration to the forefront of discussion.

It's the same for many Green voters and climate change.

 

[BrickTamland]

Another Green voter here. A few months back I wasn't so sure as Bennett is a poor leader (there are much better people within the party who could do a better job - besides just Lucas) but i think as a whole they are better for the majority of this country than the other parties. They are the only party who i believe would stick to their guns and have the balls to stand up to big business and put people before profit.

The Bennett 'issue' is an interesting one. If Lucas was leader still and was on the most recent TV debates they would have blown UKIP out of the water. What seems to have happened to the two fringe parties is that one offers little other than hyped up immigration drivel, but with a strong 'charismatic' (i use the word lightly) and the other with good ideas but too weak a leader to properly persuade the public of them. For all those saying 'where will the money come from?' it would come from the massive amounts of tax lost through corporation tax loopholes which none of the other parties seem bothered about addressing.

 

[Triggaaar]

Im voting green because I like their policies. I couldn't care less about personalities.

I also don't care about personalities. I don't care if Miliband is weak or if Cameron is smug, I care about the policies. And that's the problem with Bennett. It's not her personality that's the problem, it's their terrible policies her terrible understanding of them, and why they're unworkable.

 

[BigGully]

It is unlikely but there are reasons.
Last time I voted I was a student, thought Caroline Lucas would make an excellent MP and did not have to many cares in the world.
Fast forward 5 years I still think Caroline Lucas is an excellent MP but I do not live in the Brighton Pavilion area. The Green Party leader IMHO is a disaster.
In addition over the past 5 years I've been able to buy a house that's to schemes introduced by the conservatives, build a good solid business and in general take control of my life. I put a lot of this down to how they have run the country and would like to see them finish the job they have started. Your right I have no set political box and doubt I ever will but I will vote for the party I believe will do best by myself.

Thinking perhaps the most convincing response I have seen here, cheers.

 

[Blue3]

The greens like UKIP And the SNP are really one issue party's pressure groups

 

[wakeytom]

Another Green voter here. A few months back I wasn't so sure as Bennett is a poor leader (there are much better people within the party who could do a better job - besides just Lucas) but i think as a whole they are better for the majority of this country than the other parties. They are the only party who i believe would stick to their guns and have the balls to stand up to big business and put people before profit.

The Bennett 'issue' is an interesting one. If Lucas was leader still and was on the most recent TV debates they would have blown UKIP out of the water. What seems to have happened to the two fringe parties is that one offers little other than hyped up immigration drivel, but with a strong 'charismatic' (i use the word lightly) and the other with good ideas but too weak a leader to properly persuade the public of them. For all those saying 'where will the money come from?' it would come from the massive amounts of tax lost through corporation tax loopholes which none of the other parties seem bothered about addressing.

But what are the real policies for the greens? Also how will this lost tax be gained - I watched the humours interview Bennett gave in January where she was going to make Billions following a scheme used in France, only to be told that a country with a higher population could only raise a few million.

The greens seem to want to drive business away from the UK which will cause higher unemployment and general wealth to UK PLC meaning that we can never pay our debt down (in fact it will grow) and really will cause a race to the bottom which is what they claim other parties are creating

 

[wakeytom]

I don't think we give the rest of the country a good laugh, but lots of people see this (ahem) city as different to the rest of the country and threfore having a different (radical, progressive, passionate) MP fits the bill perfectly. On the doorsteps some people moan about the Green-led Council's record on recycling (could be better but now higher than it was under Labour), 20 mph speed limits (road accidents down, better air quality), housing (200 Council homes built - the first in 30 years) and business (thriving private sector, London Road rejuvenated) but present them with the actual record and the prejudice begins to dissipate.

How is it progressive to ruin a thriving economy? The 20 mph thing was proven in a London trial to not really increase air quality - in certain cars, smaller petrol engine ones which I guess in Brighton makes up a large amount when I drive in and out it had a negative effect http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/busi...striction-air-quality-report-2013-for-web.pdf

 

[pastafarian]

I genuinely cringe whenever I hear Natalie Bennett speaking. SURELY TO GOODNESS, the Greens can find a better candidate for leadership than her?! If not, they may as well pack up and go home.

Totally, totally gash.

Deputy Leader Shahrar Ali will probably be next

I hope they manage to curtail his singing though,bit of a tone deaf Tony.

 

[Surf's Up]

If the number of Green stickers in front windows around here is any kind of an indicator, Lucas is going to cream Brighton Pavillion, I even saw her ON THE STREET earlier today!! I will probably be voting for her because, on balance, she has been an ok constituency MP and I quite like some of the Green's manifesto commitments (mind you, some of their stuff is bonkers too). I also find it incredibly difficult to find anything remotely attractive about either the Labour or Tory partys as currently led. As far as I'm concerned this vote will be a bit of a one-off because, as others have said, the Greens are really little more than a pressure group. Bennett is shocking, totally awful, an embarrassment and as far as the city council elections are concerned a vote for the Greens is like voting for a bunch of 15 year olds (no disrespect meant to 15 year olds).

 

[pb21]

What you don't take into account is the fact you know nothing about me.
When I voted last time I voted as a student who lived in the area and voted for Caroline as believed she would be good for Brighton. 5 years later I still believe she would be good for Brighton and has been a good MP.
However in the past 5 years I have moved from there. A lot of the ideas spouted about by the Green leader would IMHO be a disaster. In addition due to schemes introduced by the conservative government I now own a house, I got help setting up a business and I have taken great strides forward. I would like to see them finish the job they started as in my opinion they have done a good job. Your right I am not set in my political ways and do not ever intend to be.

It's somewhat the archetypal Tory voter, voting for who makes there life at that particular time seemingly better. Now aside from the fact I would disagree that a Tory vote is ever best unless you are a multi millionaire let's just agree that for you at this moment a Tory government is in your best interests. I would then say what about the other 60 million people at this moment in time and what about yourself in the future when you may have more reliance on the NHS, or you find your business fails (not saying it will) or you have children etc. Do you think a Tory government benefits those real and potential situations?

It's a fundamental difference between those who vote tory and those who vote labour. Those on the left tend to consider the collective, in a sense they have a higher level of agreeablenes, it fact I am fairly certain studies have proven it. Those with low agreeablenes vote right, those with high agreeablenes vote left.

 

[BrickTamland]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=green+party+manifesto (don't want that to come across as rude, I just love that site)

As far as I'm aware through talking to members of the party there is a wish to build up the 'green' renewable energy programs which will make a huge number of jobs (both skilled and unskilled) as has been the case in Scandinavia and to a degree in Germany. If there was a loss of business from cracking down on corporation tax then i'm sure that would take a decent amount of the windfall (as a side note it might also stop our planet from dying).

 

[wakeytom]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=green+party+manifesto (don't want that to come across as rude, I just love that site)

As far as I'm aware through talking to members of the party there is a wish to build up the 'green' renewable energy programs which will make a huge number of jobs (both skilled and unskilled) as has been the case in Scandinavia and to a degree in Germany. If there was a loss of business from cracking down on corporation tax then i'm sure that would take a decent amount of the windfall (as a side note it might also stop our planet from dying).

I am talking more about companies moving abroad with the loss of millions of jobs, the tax is another issue and could never be replaced, how do you reduce the deficit with less tax and revenues

Also thank you for the link, I have read that before but for me there are zero policies which would work in the real world there, I love how you can create a million new jobs, with no thought as to what they would be and also no way of funding them, makes a good start

 

[Silk]

I will vote Green unless and until Labour starts sticking up for ordinary working people again.

 

[studio150]

People vote Green in central Brighton because they can see the fruits of doing so: pavements being widened and made more pedestrian-friendly, more recycling opportunities, more general landscaping of the immediate environment, the private motorist being more and more marginalised to the point of being told to off-cufk. Long may these trends continue

And what have the Greens done for areas outside of central Brighton, or do they even have an interest. I have yet to have a knock on the door from anyone representing the Greens, why? Probably because they know that their record is appalling, and that at a local level they rely on voter apathy to get things through.

So £1 for a plastic bag, but no real idea of how much this will raise. Other policies which are basically just gimmicks.

Time for the asylum to be taken back from the lunatics

 

[The Birdman]

I am green person at heart but I would not vote for the greens as they have caused more pollution with traffic jams in Brighton and Hove and have a bad record on recycling in Brighton its trendy to vote green and surported by Students who study in Brighton who can mess up our Town and return home and go back to voting Con/ LD/labour.

 

[pastafarian]

Of course they are a joke party and many of their policies are absurd. I also find some of their feminist ideas quite offensive at times.

However they will get my vote, purely because I've got to vote for someone and the Green council has been absolutely fantastic in Brighton. I also agree with some of their radical left-wing policies.

Not that my vote, or anyone else's, will make a difference to anything mind.

If you have already resigned yourself that your vote is irrelevant why not stick to your convictions and vote Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition in your Hove ward.
Surely voting with your socialist tendencies is better than voting for a party you consider a joke with many absurd policies or do you really have to concede your vote does matter after all.

 

[Chicken Run]

If the number of Green stickers in front windows around here is any kind of an indicator, Lucas is going to cream Brighton Pavillion, I even saw her ON THE STREET earlier today!! I will probably be voting for her because, on balance, she has been an ok constituency MP and I quite like some of the Green's manifesto commitments (mind you, some of their stuff is bonkers too). I also find it incredibly difficult to find anything remotely attractive about either the Labour or Tory partys as currently led. As far as I'm concerned this vote will be a bit of a one-off because, as others have said, the Greens are really little more than a pressure group. Bennett is shocking, totally awful, an embarrassment and as far as the city council elections are concerned a vote for the Greens is like voting for a bunch of 15 year olds (no disrespect meant to 15 year olds).

As far as indicators are concerned imho most Green Party supporters will pop a poster in the window, why not they are proud principled people, what about all the windows with none?

 

[brighton bluenose]

What you don't take into account is the fact you know nothing about me.
When I voted last time I voted as a student who lived in the area and voted for Caroline as believed she would be good for Brighton. 5 years later I still believe she would be good for Brighton and has been a good MP.
However in the past 5 years I have moved from there. A lot of the ideas spouted about by the Green leader would IMHO be a disaster. In addition due to schemes introduced by the conservative government I now own a house, I got help setting up a business and I have taken great strides forward. I would like to see them finish the job they started as in my opinion they have done a good job. Your right I am not set in my political ways and do not ever intend to be.

Point taken - and apologies for being a tad judgmental!

 

[Hampster Gull]

Looney economc policies

 

[mona]

It's somewhat the archetypal Tory voter, voting for who makes there life at that particular time seemingly better. Now aside from the fact I would disagree that a Tory vote is ever best unless you are a multi millionaire let's just agree that for you at this moment a Tory government is in your best interests. I would then say what about the other 60 million people at this moment in time and what about yourself in the future when you may have more reliance on the NHS, or you find your business fails (not saying it will) or you have children etc. Do you think a Tory government benefits those real and potential situations?

It's a fundamental difference between those who vote tory and those who vote labour. Those on the left tend to consider the collective, in a sense they have a higher level of agreeablenes, it fact I am fairly certain studies have proven it. Those with low agreeablenes vote right, those with high agreeablenes vote left.

Certain studies would prove that there are more generalisations here than most rants against a club from Croydon.