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[Albion] Vile racist language in the South Stand
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- Oct 17, 2008
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Case by case basis. Most autistic people won’t do this any more than neurotypical people. Rules are rules and this person, neurodivergent or not, shouldn’t be permitted into football stadiums if their carer can’t guarantee their conduct to be of an acceptable standard.
Racism = ban, regardless of who does it.
What is the club supposed to do, have qualified psychiatrists on hand to diagnose whether they’re at fault due to mental incapacity?
Racism = ban and I’m very sorry this happened.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Very disappointing mate. I know this was just after the game and emotions were running high, but I really think you should apologise for this. Completely inappropriate.
- Oct 17, 2008
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I can quite honestly say, in all my years watching the Albion home and away, I’ve witnessed ONE case of racism, from one bloke at Withdean, which was called out by those around him and the fan was immediately ejected. Lots of homophobia from away fans. Brighton supporters don’t tolerate it racist abuse.
Maybe I’ve been lucky, but this is a very abnormal occurrence and very troubling to me.
Neville's Breakfast
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You are being gratuitously offensive.
Live by the sea
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The rape comment is equally as bad as the black comment if not worse . Makes you wonder what environment this child has grown up in . Very sad really .
I seem to have been ‘educated’ that Tourettes is swearing and nervous twitches. Can sufferers now choose their symptoms?
Neville's Breakfast
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Wtf has it got to do with you ?
Neville's Breakfast
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It presents in different ways. Individuals with Tourette’s do not choose in which way, no.
brighton_dave
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That's a very good point which I guess could've been the case. Others had turned in disgust when hearing that said, but it could be plausible.
Irrespective of this the other language was vile, unacceptable and if had not been for that then Id be certain the blacky reference was not racist. Being the father of an elder daughter that has been raped I don't expect phrases such as "rape your mum" to be deemed OK. That really hit a nerve.
Believe me the language was vile and nothing I've ever heard anywhere.
Cracking thread this, it’s has pretty much everything.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Stuff about Tourettea here, worth a read to update your understanding.
What is Coprolalia, cursing and inappropriate language gestures
This article explains coprolalia, one of the most baffling and socially unacceptable vocal tics symptoms of Tourette Syndrome (TS).
tourette.org
Definitely case by case. Club always go out of their way to be inclusive to all……pretty sure PBOBE will review fully, understand the circumstances and make the call then. Does need to be consideration of the extent to which the behaviour is offensive or upsetting to others (clearly in this case it was - and the potential risks that causes), the likelihood of it being repeated, the extent to which it can be managed/controlled, what other measures are available to club and/or parents/carers to help etc etc. Not sure it’s quite as simple as a straight ban.
Not heard of anything like this before so no need to have people on hand to diagnose - just need to ensure stewards are appropriately trained to deal with the situation as it arises. Does seem in this case allowing them to stay in the stand at that time wasn’t the best option.
BadFish
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Bloke's a troll and he got me this morning I am a little embarrassed to say. Was wondering if course, but thought he was just a bit of a tit at first.
Anyway on ignore now.
Horses Arse
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Does anyone really think that?
One of the problems in this society is that lies are accepted as fact and there's little or no accountability anymore. There's also some great get out of jail free cards in circulation
The suggestion of autism in the OP seems to excuse the failure of those with the child to act as the guardians they were supposed to be according to many on here. Forget the thousands around us, he's got autism so we don't care.
Selfish behaviour, no care about anyone else as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, I don't have an autistic child so I'm sure someone will trot along soon saying I'm the selfish one for not accepting that this massively wide-ranging autism grouping is all excusing.
Can't understand why you think my question shows ignorance. I admit I know nothing about autism, that's why I asked the question and just because your wife works with autistic adults, it doesn't make me ignorant does it.
Knob.
BadFish
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The answer is that noone grows out of autism it is a life long condition caused by a difference in the way synapses connect in the brain. Some people learn to live with it and can appear 'normal' from the outside. This is generally called masking.
It's important to understand that autism is a spectrum and involves many differences. It also often comes with co occuring conditions (ADHD, intellectual disabilities etc etc). This means that it is as unlikely for two autistic people to present the same as two neurotypicals. The characteristics of autism are outlined here:
Simply case of safe-guarding. I think you have misread my post. I'll explain again:
If a person has a mental health issue that includes an imperative to commit sexual assault, they should not be mixing freely with the public, including kids in a football stadium.
If, for example, I had Tourette's and a tendency to shout obscenities, I would not be allowed to give lectures to students.
Likewise the kid shouting racist abuse at a football match does not get a free pass because of mental health issues.
I don't think I can make myself any more clear.
I'm not sure what your problem is but your replies and comments on this thread are frankly bizarre. Why not explain your take on a 7 year old shouting racist abuse at the football while their family stands idly by? I don't think it is acceptable. You?
brighton_dave
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One of the posts prompted me to remember a situation in Gran Canaria a few years back where I intervened with a very drunk step dad bullying his young daughter who was shaking with tears. This quickly escalated (verbally) with both my daughters ending up in tears. Those around me then joined in resulting in the guy being escorted away.
This was the very situation I wanted to avoid yesterday. My better half did say it was unlike me not to have said something! Perhaps the unconscious bias in me was a past lesson!
I've vented, shared our experience and raised the issues with the club. I know it a one off and I've not heard anything like it in 35 years of following the Albion.
I've sent a message asking for the thread to be locked as it's got out of hand in a few places.
Enjoy your Sundays..
This was the very situation I wanted to avoid yesterday. My better half did say it was unlike me not to have said something! Perhaps the unconscious bias in me was a past lesson!
I've vented, shared our experience and raised the issues with the club. I know it a one off and I've not heard anything like it in 35 years of following the Albion.
I've sent a message asking for the thread to be locked as it's got out of hand in a few places.
Enjoy your Sundays..
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