[News] Victory for the anti-fascists

[blue-shifted]

What is a massive relief is that these sort of tear ups don't happen in Brighton any more. I witnessed some of the violence a few years ago and left convinced that neither group actually had strongly held views on fascism, but they thoroughly enjoyed fighting and aggression generally and joining in these rallies seemed to provide them with that outlet.

It then further occurred to me that I'd be prepared to chip in a few quid for some hatchets, cudgels and maybe a nailed baseball bat if they agreed to take this long held passion for violence away from the city I love and into some field in the middle of nowhere.

Anyway, like I say, hope they don't come back.

 

[The Clamp]

I think the argument that the left brands people "fascist" too easily, is an accusation dished out too easily by those with something to hide, who don't like being confronted by the fact they hold questionable views or carry out questionable actions.

Yep. Happens all too often theses days. Still, good to see that deep down they know their views are wrong. Pity they like being so wrong.

 

[Hastings gull]

I think the argument that the left brands people "fascist" too easily, is an accusation dished out too easily by those with something to hide, who don't like being confronted by the fact they hold questionable views or carry action questionable actions.

Your rather vague post precisely reflects my point. Who are you to say that someone's views are questionable. You may question their views, you don't like them, or the answer you receive, so you state he or she must be a fascist to give you more credence and make yourself seem less extreme. (not necessarily you personally.)

 

[blue-shifted]

If there was an anti fascist protest where the demonstators turned up, not to match hatred with bile and anger, knowing it will lead to violence, but lined the route silently with their backs turned, how much more powerful would that be? I'd be up for that

 

[Hastings gull]

What is a massive relief is that these sort of tear ups don't happen in Brighton any more. I witnessed some of the violence a few years ago and left convinced that neither group actually had strongly held views on fascism, but they thoroughly enjoyed fighting and aggression generally and joining in these rallies seemed to provide them with that outlet.

It then further occurred to me that I'd be prepared to chip in a few quid for some hatchets, cudgels and maybe a nailed baseball bat if they agreed to take this long held passion for violence away from the city I love and into some field in the middle of nowhere.

Anyway, like I say, hope they don't come back.

Yes, I strongly suspect that this is indeed the case, but on here, you will find a general reluctance to see that.

 

[BeHereNow]

Anti fascists? How ironic.

 

[Braggfan]

Your rather vague post precisely reflects my point. Who are you to say that someone's views are questionable. You may question their views, you don't like them, or the answer you receive, so you state he or she must be a fascist to give you more credence and make yourself seem less extreme. (not necessarily you personally.)

I'm sorry that's too vague for you to understand. I'll break it down into smaller pieces for those who don't understand what fascist means, even though it's a concept taught to school children.
The point I was making is that if someone attending a right wing demonstration or illegally detaining protesters, doesn't like being called a fascist then they either don't understand the concept, or don't like being confronted with the questionable morality of their actions. That's nothing to do with my opinion or giving credence to my views, those situations are universally recognized as fascist behavior. They are defining qualities.

 

[The Clamp]

Your rather vague post precisely reflects my point. Who are you to say that someone's views are questionable. You may question their views, you don't like them, or the answer you receive, so you state he or she must be a fascist to give you more credence and make yourself seem less extreme. (not necessarily you personally.)

A fellow human with the capacity for empathy, sympathy and an interest in other people and their welfare. Jesus wept. Are we getting so PC now that calling a fascist a fascist is grounds for offence. Get a grip man.

 

[Bold Seagull]

A fellow human with the capacity for empathy, sympathy and an interest in other people and their welfare. Jesus wept. Are we getting so PC now that calling a fascist a fascist is grounds for offence. Get a grip man.

I think you know where this thread was going to go when you posted it and who was going to post what.

 

[Machiavelli]

Agree with all this. People seem to automatically support, or jump to the defence these "anti fascist" groups because everyone is anti fascist right?

They're exactly the same as the other lot with a sizable element who just want to go out for a tear up, but it's alright to overlook criminal behaviour because their label is"anti fascist".

*edit* But that doesn't make them wrong in this situation, I think a lot of us have been on the wrong end of some dodgy tactics by the Met, they need to be held to account.

No. Everyone is not anti-fascists. Fascists aren't anti-fascists for a start. And then there are those that enable the fascists and provide cover for them -- Trump and Boris Bannon, for instance. There are also those that want to equate fascism with 'the other side from the left', either ignoring or conveniently forgetting that violence is integral to fascism, whereas many on the left are anti-violence. I could go on, but I'll stop there.

 

[The Clamp]

I think you know where this thread was going to go when you posted it and who was going to post what.

Que? No Hablo Ingles.

 

[Billy the Fish]

a quick throw-away line without any real evidence. How on earth can you possibly be in a position to make such an allegation?

I've been kettled and had batons swung at me for no reason at palace away and Orient away along with a few hundred Albion fans. Law of averages would suggest a few in here will have experienced the same. There was a video on here after the palace game of some bad treatment from the Met.

You might find this surprising because you and I are from a completely different demographic.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Although I can't recall any away fans being detained for up to 14 hours without access to basic amenities

No, me neither.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Maybe they need to act properly within the laws they are meant to uphold, and be careful with what money they do have.

Good point, but equally they are often under resourced and under incredible pressure to make a decision based more on fear due to this litigious society we live in, hence the "damned if they do" etc comment.

 

[Billy the Fish]

No. Everyone is not anti-fascists. Fascists aren't anti-fascists for a start. And then there are those that enable the fascists and provide cover for them -- Trump and Boris Bannon, for instance. There are also those that want to equate fascism with 'the other side from the left', either ignoring or conveniently forgetting that violence is integral to fascism, whereas many on the left are anti-violence. I could go on, but I'll stop there.

As a % of the population how many people do you think would call themselves fascist?

Then estimate what % would call themselves anti fascist.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Que? No Hablo Ingles.

Exactly.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Met police in £700k payout to detained anti-fascist protesters



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...0k-payout-to-detained-anti-fascist-protesters

New back packs and Balaclava's then ,bless em
regards
DR

 

[The Lemming Stomper]

Balaclava's

Balaclavas

 

[Chicken Run]

Balaclavas

Bravo, good spot....

 

[Return of the Rev]

As Starlin once said freedom without liberty is a prison.