[Football] VAR who decides?

[Easy 10]

The BBC and Argus articles seem to suggest (to me), but don't make 100% clear, otherwise.

It is getting complicated - I think I’ll just sit back and observe the inevitable shambles that will occur. Although I do think it will be a good thing in the long run, once the problems are ironed out.

See I think its the thin end of the wedge. In principal I like the idea that its only supposed to be used for 4 things (goals, red cards, penalties and cases of mistaken identity). So in theory its only being brought in to help with the BIG decisions, and not the multitude of little fouls and minor incidents that happen all the time. But the problem for me is that if a "minor" foul that isn't picked up on leads to a goal, then that by definition does become a big decision, a big call to make (as we saw in that Coppa Italia game).

I fear we're going to have a lot of goal celebrations "on hold" while the ref / VAR thrash out whether there was an infringement in the buildup. And that'll be proper rubbish.

 

[seagulls4ever]

A much better article: https://news.sky.com/story/video-referees-questions-answered-ahead-of-fa-cup-debut-11200001

I was wrong. VAR can be used to award penalties for incidents not seen, and issue red cards for off the ball incidents that were missed. VAR will only be used for offsides if a goal is scored or in the build-up to a penalty.

In light of this, I'm not sure why The Argus says the Hemed and Lukaku incidents would not be reviewed.

 

[seagulls4ever]

See I think its the thin end of the wedge. In principal I like the idea that its only supposed to be used for 4 things (goals, red cards, penalties and cases of mistaken identity). So in theory its only being brought in to help with the BIG decisions, and not the multitude of little fouls and minor incidents that happen all the time. But the problem for me is that if a "minor" foul that isn't picked up on leads to a goal, then that by definition does become a big decision, a big call to make (as we saw in that Coppa Italia game).

I fear we're going to have a lot of goal celebrations "on hold" while the ref / VAR thrash out whether there was an infringement in the buildup. And that'll be proper rubbish.

From the Sky article:

How long will a decision take?

It takes about 30-40 seconds on average for the VAR team to clip up and review a decision at the match centre.

However, when it is not something as simple as an offside or multiple camera angles need to be viewed then by the time a referee has made a decision then up to three minutes could have passed.

I understand what you're saying. Having goal celebrations on hold for several minutes while we wait for a decision to be made would be seriously shit. At the same time, so many incidents get missed, which seem unfair, which don't 'even themselves out over the course of a season', and certain teams seem to benefit more from dodgy decisions than others (usually the bigger teams).

 

[rippleman]

I like the NFL red flag system, the coach is allowed two challenges per game, but if both challenges are successful, they're allowed a third.

But in NFL if the challenge is not upheld, the challenging team loses a timeout. There has to be a downside to stop frivolous challenges or challenges being made to slow down the game. I'm not sure how you would penalise a frivilous challenge in football. Works in NFL but then the game is suited to it with 10 seconds of action followed by several minutes of inactivity.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Stevie Wonder

tea over the keyboard...thanks mate

 

[Easy 10]

But in NFL if the challenge is not upheld, the challenging team loses a timeout. There has to be a downside to stop frivolous challenges or challenges being made to slow down the game. I'm not sure how you would penalise a frivilous challenge in football. Works in NFL but then the game is suited to it with 10 seconds of action followed by several minutes of inactivity.

And you can guarantee that if a manager still has a challenge in hand and they concede a last minute goal, then he'll use it to try and get it chalked off for something. Anything.

 

[seagulls4ever]

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I hope no one will have their view blocked!

 

[LamieRobertson]

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I hope no one will have their view blocked!

Hmmm...not sure i’d be that happy sitting behind that thing...still apparently there will be loads of spare seats

 

[RandyWanger]

Interesting BT choose to show Young throwing a n elbow to the gut as an example of a VAR red card. I’d have chosen a different Manure player