[Albion] VAR vs Us this season - a disgrace

[Mellotron]

4. The offside today. Absolutely ridiculous as we keep being told offsides are either on or not and today it proves it can be wrong. I think that cost us two points.

Glad you brought this up. It really annoys me that people say VAR will always be correct for offsides “you’re on or you’re not”.

Of course it isn’t, as has now been proved. Depends which frame they use, which angle they have available, it’s run by humans who can make errors. Etc.

 

[Springal]

Glad you brought this up. It really annoys me that people say VAR will always be correct for offsides “you’re on or you’re not”.

Of course it isn’t, as has now been proved. Depends which frame they use, which angle they have available, it’s run by humans who can make errors. Etc.

But VAR gave all the tools to make the right decision, but it wasn’t used properly. Hence why they came out so quickly (I don’t recall anything like that ‘same day’) to say the official drew the wrong line

 

[Mellotron]

But VAR gave all the tools to make the right decision, but it wasn’t used properly. Hence why they came out so quickly (I don’t recall anything like that ‘same day’) to say the official drew the wrong line

Agreed on that, I’m making a separate point.

Many people on here say that VAR works perfectly for offsides and will always be correct. I’m saying they’re wrong, as has been demonstrated today.

 

[nwgull]

Even if the lines drawn for offsides are correct and perfectly perpendicular and the freezed frame analysed is the one where the passing player kicks be ball, the fact that there are only 50 frames per second on the slo-no introduces a margin of error of about 15cm.

 

[amexer]

Whilst never a fan of VAR have accepted its use for off sides because it is black and white. NO LONGER

 

[amexer]

Just beyond belief how anybody could say that was not hand ball in WH game.

 

[portlock seagull]

Whilst never a fan of VAR have accepted its use for off sides because it is black and white. NO LONGER

It’s been flawed since day 1. And will remain so. It gets a shocking proportion wrong too. Who on earth understands offside anymore? Pundits don’t. Fans don’t. And demonstrably, officials don’t. It’s as much to blame. Football needs a serious reboot around rules. Keep goal line technology and go back to refs and linos, possibly adding 2 more so one responsible for each half. I can take a cock up or two in preference to 10min debates and shoelaces ruling out a 35yard worldie from another player. We pay for the latter, not virtual geometry lessons by someone a) not very good at b) not even at the game.

 

[portlock seagull]

Just beyond belief how anybody could say that was not hand ball in WH game.

Yep, another example and several more yesterday. Handball in 99 out of 100 people’s eyes. Guess who the 100th was though? Yet again, the VAR man who also got the best and longest look of all. Absolute shambles. It’s incompetence bordering on corruption almost. In other professions, that’s how it would be explained anyhow!

 

[Justice]

Chelsea don’t get the decision keeps the pressure on Potter a biggish story, makes it more interesting at the top of if Arsenal don’t get the three points. Brighton winning only puts them a couple of points behind Spurs and Newcastle, Newcastle the current media darlings can’t have that, it also gives Liverpool more of a chance to catch up.

I don’t believe a VAR ref AND an assistant sitting next to each other get these so wrong.

 

[Live by the sea]

I agree with everything in the first post - as an aside was I the only one worried about Mac’s challenge for which he was yellow carded . Watching it on slow motion on tv on a good quality stream , I was very concerned it might get upgraded to a red . Thankfully not but I don’t think it was a million miles away .

 

[raymondo]

Rather than retrospective apologies some of these refs should be removed from the role, it’s not good enough

But in a few weeks there wouldn't be any left, and...and...hmmm

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Would we have received a public apology if one wasn’t extended to Arsenal as well? I’m not so sure.

Having been the leagues significant victims this season on the matter will we receive any unconscious bias the next time we are caught up in a 50/50 situation (I’m not saying yesterday was 50/50) by the way!)

 

[raymondo]

Yep, another example and several more yesterday. Handball in 99 out of 100 people’s eyes. Guess who the 100th was though? Yet again, the VAR man who also got the best and longest look of all. Absolute shambles. It’s incompetence bordering on corruption almost. In other professions, that’s how it would be explained anyhow!

Many/most cricket umpires were professional players I believe.
What would it take to get ex pro footballers directly involved in officiating matches (on pitch and VAR). Is it ever likely??

 

[Blues Guitarist]

I don’t believe a VAR ref AND an assistant sitting next to each other get these so wrong.

That is the worrying thing. There is a VAR, an assistant VAR and a replay operator. They have access to ALL pitch facing broadcast cameras. From the Sky website "Before each match, Hawk-Eye calibrates multiple cameras to give many options when showing an offside decision in the event that a body part is covered in one camera." So why did VAR not use the goal-line camera to get a clear view of the defenders?

How is it possible for this team to get the decisions for Brighton and Brentford offsides wrong? Either it's gross incompetence (in which case these people should be sacked) or it's institutionally crooked.

 

[portlock seagull]

I agree with everything in the first post - as an aside was I the only one worried about Mac’s challenge for which he was yellow carded . Watching it on slow motion on tv on a good quality stream , I was very concerned it might get upgraded to a red . Thankfully not but I don’t think it was a million miles away .

If Firmino’s wasn’t a red, Macs wasn’t even a yellow!

 

[Mellotron]

Whilst never a fan of VAR have accepted its use for off sides because it is black and white. NO LONGER

It’s never been black and white for offsides. It’s always been an interpretation. Which frame exactly? Which angle? Human error. It’s always been imperfect.

 

[Silverhatch]

It’s never been black and white for offsides. It’s always been an interpretation. Which frame exactly? Which angle? Human error. It’s always been imperfect.

Until technology can prove it’s black and white (ie AI interpretation) then everything else is just re-refereeing and human re-interpretation. It’s SHIT. Bin it.