seagulls4ever
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The general rule is Gary Lineker is a plonker and you shouldn't take any notice of what he says.
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[Football] VAR to be used at the World Cup
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The general rule is Gary Lineker is a plonker and you shouldn't take any notice of what he says.
maffew
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I agree partly, I'm not gonna call him a plonker for making so much money being for not very good, I like him but dont take any notice of what he says, correct
Falmer Flutter ©
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For now, until we get the first big goal scored from a corner when it should have been a goalkick, or from a throw in when it should have gone to the other team. Before we know it we'll be having the bleeding toss going to VAR.
That's an example of the VAR doing it's job!
maffew
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I am theoretically in favour of VAR but that is EXACTLY the sort of scenario I dont want to see
You have to accept that on rare occasions, this is what WILL happen. But it is an extreme example, and the correct decision was reached in any case. Remember that VAR should only be used to iron out blatant, game changing mistakes, and that is one such example.
This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be discussed by the people deciding how VAR should affect the game, but I'd suggest that the call in your well-considered scenario is that VAR simply cannot be used in this scenario, so for games covered by VAR, the ref should NOT blow his whistle for off-side. Instead, he should allow play to continue until a natural break in play. If a goal was scored, then obviously it stands if the player was on-side after VAR review. If it goes out of play or a foul is committed, he checks the offside first before deciding where and how play should resume.
It is also why VAR should have been implemented 2 years ago if WC 2018 was the goal. The refs would need time to get used to such a slight modification in the way the laws are upheld.
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You are correct, that is in principle the whole point of VAR, to correct a clear error. However, isn't the whole point of professional football that it is a spectator sport? I have grown closer and closer to being in favour of VAR with some of the ridiculous penalty decisions not given for us, but there has to be a better way of doing things than this? The referee's error is the crux of the problem and surely, as Feyenoord were breaking, the VAR assistant could've told him to stop the play to review the footage like he would have if there was a head injury.
This. Saying "There's always been mistakes" or "mistakes are a part and parcel of football" is a complete non-argument.
By that logic, let's not even bother training referees. Just get some bloke from down the pub to do it.
That doesn't correct the issue though. What if the VAR ref can't see it on the first two angles he reviews it but does spot the foul on the third angle, by which time Feyenoord have scored anyway? Equally, what if it looks like a blatant foul from first angle and the VAR ref orders the on-pitch ref to blow up just as Feyenoord are about to score, only to then decide that it wasn't quite as conclusive as first thought, based on looking at another two angles?
I just think we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that football is a sport where the goal as a commodity is so precious. VAR has to ensure that the big decisions are correct, and if that means this sort of unfortunate incident occurring (incredibly rarely, I might add), then it is a price worth paying.
I don't think anyone is saying VARS is going to be perfect. But if it makes decisions better and fairer, that's an undeniably good thing. The only potential issue for me is the flow of the game, but for very contentious situations players surround the ref for about half an hour anyway!
The Large One
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Quite spectacularly - I don't know how you do it - you've just agreed with me by disagreeing with me.
The point is - there are faults, and they haven't been ironed out. And yet, FIFA believes VAR is ready for the biggest stage.
Absolutely, I think you've nailed what I find problematic about it. It's ridiculously complicated and relies on often subjective grievances being seen in an objective fashion. The issues with my poorly thought out solution implies that the system is inherently flawed. Maybe scaled back it could work in that it only can be used in objective matters, e.g. Iheanacho's goal the other night, but that's a lot of technology and money spent for a minuscule amount of decisions. (linesman do get it right the majority of the time).
Interestingly, I was listening to a podcast about its use in Serie A this season and the stats, apologies if slightly incorrect but this is from memory, were that only 60 decisions had been referred in the first half of the season, 49 remained correct, 11 overturned. The big stat however, is that there were 150 fewer yellow cards compared to the same point as last year. The argument is that VAR has a really strong effect on the way in which the game is played as players are more aware of their actions.
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The bigger issue is for the teams to put undue pressure on the referees.
It's supposed to be a yellow-card incident for a player to do the 'TV" gesture, yet Chelsea did that more than once last week v Norwich, and nothing happened. And I suspect Chelsea will only be a mild example going forward.
Well they need to clamp down on that then. Players badger the ref for decisions all the time without VAR.
Iggle Piggle
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I'm with you. Maradona's handball and Lampard's goal are 2 examples which have fundamentally changed our paths at the WC (well, Germany would have beaten us but anyway). We have video review at Cricket, Rugby, American Football and Tennis amongst others yet there seems to be a reticence at football. We all admit the trail has not been perfect but that's exactly why you have trials to sort teething issues out - If we can put a man on the moon we can think up some workable rules for a video ref.
As for the video, I love the fact you've gone 2-0 down but now have a chance to knock a penalty away for 1-1. Imagine that in a Palace game?
BensGrandad
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Quite spectacularly - I don't know how you do it - you've just agreed with me by disagreeing with me.
The point is - there are faults, and they haven't been ironed out. And yet, FIFA believes VAR is ready for the biggest stage.
I have not agreed with you. If you read it properly I said they WILL iron out the problems if and when they appear, not they have done it. This will be done following use in national leagues this season.
The video assistant referee (VAR) system has been accurate in 98.9% of decisions so far during its two-year worldwide trial, says the International Football Association Board
24% of all matches were positively affected by the involvement of VAR (changing an initial incorrect decision by the referee).
So more accurately before VAR 76% correct, after VAR 98.9% correct.
24% of all matches were positively affected by the involvement of VAR (changing an initial incorrect decision by the referee).
So more accurately before VAR 76% correct, after VAR 98.9% correct.
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This afternoon I watched about 10 minutes of Inter v Bologna.
Fella attacking to the edge of the penalty area.
Got closed down by 2 Inter players t'other side of the line.
Fella smacks the ball into one of the defenders arms, the ref correctly waves play on.
Fella and a few others start appealing like only Italians can, and all but stop playing even though the ball is still live.
Inter are now at the halfway line, and then the ref blows his whistle.
He walks over to the pitch side screen.
The commentator had just enough time to say 'the refs have been instructed to not be so fussy about VAR's referrals'.
The 'penalty' is again adjudged to have not been awarded and the game carried on with a 'not' drop ball.
It was all over very quickly, but completely unnecessary .
Fella attacking to the edge of the penalty area.
Got closed down by 2 Inter players t'other side of the line.
Fella smacks the ball into one of the defenders arms, the ref correctly waves play on.
Fella and a few others start appealing like only Italians can, and all but stop playing even though the ball is still live.
Inter are now at the halfway line, and then the ref blows his whistle.
He walks over to the pitch side screen.
The commentator had just enough time to say 'the refs have been instructed to not be so fussy about VAR's referrals'.
The 'penalty' is again adjudged to have not been awarded and the game carried on with a 'not' drop ball.
It was all over very quickly, but completely unnecessary .