[Football] VAR improvement plans

[A1X]

There are five very easy and obvious ways they could improve VAR basically overnight without any major issues

1. Mic up the refs
2. Play the video (and conversations) in the ground
3. Three person panel, not a single VAR man (incl one non-ref)
4. 60 second limit, beyond that stays on field as not “clear and obvious”
5. No monitor, just goes with VAR team’s call like TMO / Third Umpire

Be amazed if even one of these happens

 

[Superphil]

It won't stop them looking for a fingernail off-side to disallow a goal for a team playing a ‘top six’ side though, will it.

Corrected for you

 

[grubbyhands]

Stuart Atwell being given the other semi-final, 2 weeks after the shambles at White Hart Lane, tells me everything I need to know, about how PGMOL is being run.
It's a mates club. They look after their own.

I don't hold out any hope of improvements.

Is the correct answer.

 

[Seasider78]

If they want to affect real change then they should make the refs accountable for the key decisions. Pay them properly, but make them do press conferences and answer for the calls they make. Then SACK OR RELEGATE THE SHIT REFS.

The spurs f*** ups still boil my piss so much that it is easy to overlook the two points at Palace they cost us with their incompetence.

Yep just remove the complete and utter incompetence from just one of those games and we are in the thick of racing for champions league football and all the money that comes with it.

 

[GT49er]

Was Atwell that much to blame ? VAR let him down more then he did himself IMO.

Can't agree with that - as Dermot Gallagher pointed out, his very vigorous and emphatic waving away our penalties gave the VAR a very clear message that he'd seen it and was positive his decision was right. A sort of 'overturn that if you dare' sort of gesture.

 

[Nobby]

Webb knows he can't get rid of too many at once.
He didn't need to get rid of Atwell necessarily, but to reward him with an FA cup semi-final?
Do you really think that is an appropriate decision, in the circumstances?

Exactly

Incompetence and negligence is rewarded

In what other organisation or business - anywhere in the World does that happen (well apart from the current Government obviously).


It really does beggar belief, that you can continue to make dreadful decisions, get a little smack on the wrist, and then carry on as if nothing has happened.

Championship refs must be really really bad!!! Or the PGMOL run a closed shop.

Or is it that with VAR, we expect more consistency but are getting less.

Platitudes from Webb, who has Jon Moss as his PGMOL manager and Martin Atkinson as the "elite" refs coach FFS, isn't going to change a thing.


JOKE - just get rid of VAR

 

[Springal]

Can't agree with that - as Dermot Gallagher pointed out, his very vigorous and emphatic waving away our penalties gave the VAR a very clear message that he'd seen it and was positive his decision was right. A sort of 'overturn that if you dare' sort of gesture.

Ok Derren Brown

 

[Springal]

Exactly

Incompetence and negligence is rewarded

In what other organisation or business - anywhere in the World does that happen (well apart from the current Government obviously).


It really does beggar belief, that you can continue to make dreadful decisions, get a little smack on the wrist, and then carry on as if nothing has happened.

Championship refs must be really really bad!!! Or the PGMOL run a closed shop.

Or is it that with VAR, we expect more consistency but are getting less.

Platitudes from Webb, who has Jon Moss as his PGMOL manager and Martin Atkinson as the "elite" refs coach FFS, isn't going to change a thing.


JOKE - just get rid of VAR

Actually it is a closed shop. Most refs in the EFL are part time, the ‘elite’ select group are all full time and part of a constant training. So throwing in some new ref likely with some kind of job / other commitments to get up to speed isn’t ideal. But there’s a decent number in the select group to choose from anyway.

And if we are talking about incompetence being rewarded, Sanchez dropped a routine ball in front of James Tomkins not that long ago to throw away 2 points and was rewarded with an FA Cup Semi Final at Wembley. Funny old world

 

[Commander]

If they want to affect real change then they should make the refs accountable for the key decisions. Pay them properly, but make them do press conferences and answer for the calls they make. Then SACK OR RELEGATE THE SHIT REFS.

The spurs f*** ups still boil my piss so much that it is easy to overlook the two points at Palace they cost us with their incompetence.

Yep. With the money in football there is no reason why refs couldn't be paid £100K a game for really big games. Then make them do exactly as you say, and make them fully accountable. Paying that kind of money would surely get ex-players interested as well, which would make a huge difference.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I totally agree with the comments about Webb and PGMOL just looking after their own. It’s an organisational culture thing, look at how the celebrity TV refs always find contorted ways of backing up the officials

Failing organisations can and do turn things around. But it requires genuine transparency and a genuine openness to admit errors.

That Webb apology letter where he apologised for the Mitoma incident and failed to mention the several other match changing incidents, was a strong indicator that this is an organisation focussed on reputational damage limitation rather than genuine improvement.



I don’t go along with the notion that particular refs should be sacked or demoted, a ref can have a shocking game because it’s a tough job, so they should be judged over the course of a season. But in that longer term analysis, if one ref or a all of them have been shown to have unconscious bias to particular teams (which anyone who watches will know to be true), then the PGMOL shouldn’t be hiding this behind a veil of secrecy.

Admitting it is the first step to improvement. PGMOL are like the alcoholic that hasn’t hit rock bottom quite yet.

 

[Nobby]

Actually it is a closed shop. Most refs in the EFL are part time, the ‘elite’ select group are all full time and part of a constant training. So throwing in some new ref likely with some kind of job / other commitments to get up to speed isn’t ideal. But there’s a decent number in the select group to choose from anyway.

And if we are talking about incompetence being rewarded, Sanchez dropped a routine ball in front of James Tomkins not that long ago to throw away 2 points and was rewarded with an FA Cup Semi Final at Wembley. Funny old world

Not sure where to start with this.
Sanchez was dropped not long after and only plays cup games
Refs just don’t get dropped - unless they continue and then continue and then continue to cock up
VAR means that there are now some decent refs sitting in offices watching rather than being out on the field. So the standard has to have dropped
Oh, and Sanchez didn’t cost us two points - we had a perfectly good goal disallowed in that game - cos a “ref” couldn’t draw a line properly
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