[Albion] VAR decision on Estupiñán goal

[SeagullsoverLondon]

I was in favour of VAR, but if they are going to make as many mistakes as they seem to do each week, then what is the point ( other than giving Dermot Gallagher some gainful employment on Sky)
Offsides have to go fully automated,and have some reasonable level of doubt. I would almost like to see the equivalent of Umpires Call, I e. If it is very tight, stick with the on field decision. If it is clearly offside (daylight rule) give offside.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

My guess is that is angle VAR used to disallow the goal. The justification is likely to be because they didn't have full view of the defender behind, (the one playing Estupinan on) they used the the one in front.

Terrible decision

if they can't get an angle that clearly shows all defenders (or their is doubt because a defender is obscured) then they are meant to go with on field decision. That's what happened in the Liverpool vs Wolves FA Cup game when a goal was disallowed and VAR couldn't get a definitive angle so had to go with the on field decision.

 

[Icy Gull]

I was stunned the goal was disallowed. Corrupt

 

[Seasider78]

It doesn’t matter how amateur it gets this system still plods on ruining games on a week by week basis.

There were not this many poor decisions or mistakes discussed before VAR it’s a complete joke. All VAR has achieved is show us what we already knew that the standard of refereeing in this country is really poor.

 

[Yoda]

What’s the red line actually showing? I can’t work out which body part it’s supposed to pertain to.

The red line is Pervis' shoulder, which is correct. The blue line, if meant to be Guehi's shoulder, cannot be in the correct place as the camera angle has him well behind Tomkins yet the line on the pitch says he's level with his feet. If that is the case, then Guehi would have to be merged with Tomkins (physically impossible), or his body would need to be more in line with Gross from the direct line of sight from the camera.

 

[pb21]

Absolutely no way that view should be used to define off/onside. Have adequate technology or don't use it; pathetic.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

At the moment it seems this is the only picture released from what I can see. Looks onside to me but until other angles are released we can never be 100 per cent sure.

Was the only image shown on TV and assumed the only one available otherwise they would have used a better one.

This is far from conclusive and the goal should have stood as a result

 

[Yoda]

Was the only image shown on TV and assumed the only one available otherwise they would have used a better one.

This is far from conclusive and the goal should have stood as a result

I would assume so otherwise the decision would've taken longer to come to.

 

[Bodian]

I would assume so otherwise the decision would've taken longer to come to.

I don't know. They showed that image with the lines, and 'offside' on my stream - but it was a good 30 seconds+ before they gave the decision in the ground. So maybe they did have a different angle somewhere?

 

[Diallo]

Can’t they just bring in the technology when it actually works 100%?

Unbelievable that they’ve introduced something that sacrifices the instantaneous goal celebrations we used to have all for decisions that can still be wrong.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

VAR an utter abomination. It's been the worst development in the history of football and should be removed immediately until they can find tech which works and people skilled enough to use it.

Disallowing goals like that when miles onside, disallowing goals like MacAllister v Leicester. Total disgrace.

I hate the obvious scouring for reasons to disallow.

I hate the bias involved as well. Does the line get drawn there if it's Liverpool or Arsenal on the attack? Obviously not.

 

[beorhthelm]

not the first time seen a shocking VAR call where a player is slightly obscured so they completely ignore them despite most certainly playing on side.

its not just the VAR, this could be solved by calling Undev offside. it really is time they scrapped the "active player" shite, have the linesman make a call, only go to VAR if he makes a howler.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Shocking decision. If it takes that long to find a stupid reason to rule it out, it should just stand.

 

[AlexBH]

To me it looks offside, looks like Pervis’ shoulder is leaning offside, but ultimately you can’t be 100% sure from that angle. If we’re going to have to suffer VAR, surely we need to have absolute certainly and total clarity on such marginal calls. From that angle you cannot see the whole picture so to make a decision from that is ridiculous.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

not the first time seen a shocking VAR call where a player is slightly obscured so they completely ignore them despite most certainly playing on side.

its not just the VAR, this could be solved by calling Undev offside. it really is time they scrapped the "active player" shite, have the linesman make a call, only go to VAR if he makes a howler.

Well ok., but imagine that Undav hadn't been there. There's still an incorrect decision made here. You're suggestion wouldn't improve anything,. but lead to a lot more breaks in play

 

[Diallo]

To me it looks offside, looks like Pervis’ shoulder is leaning offside, but ultimately you can’t be 100% sure from that angle. If we’re going to have to suffer VAR, surely we need to have absolute certainly and total clarity on such marginal calls. From that angle you cannot see the whole picture so to make a decision from that is ridiculous.

You’d have assumed when VAR was first being proposed, a view in-line with the last defender was what we were being sold with the office decisions. Appalling what VAR actually is.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Last defender's knee seen behind defender in front him. Blue line clearly behind last defender's knee, shoulder, right bollock.

 

[beorhthelm]

Well ok., but imagine that Undav hadn't been there. There's still an incorrect decision made here. You're suggestion wouldn't improve anything,. but lead to a lot more breaks in play

it would make for damn sight better officiating. like the VAR - i actually think it might still be borderline with the further player, but at least the line should be drawn from the last person. and why rely on such angles, given the propensity for offsides in the box, have a camera in line with penalty spot. its not so much right or wrong, its the shitty changes and poor application of rules and VAR that gets me.

 

[Eeyore]

The answer is none of us know.

The picture is blurred and from totally the wrong angle.

It does look on first view that it has drawn from the wrong defender. But I'm not going to jump around like a deranged monkey until I see the facts.

 

[Guinness Boy]

You cannot accurately and scientifically get offside correct with VAR. Where - and when - the line is drawn is arbitrary and subject to human error. Just ditch the whole sorry system