[News] Vaccination crisis

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The biggest concern isn't those who are vaccinated as they have at least got some protection from the viruses.

The biggest concern is for those who are immuno-compromised enough already that they cannot get the vaccine. They rely on herd immunity working to not get a virus that they will more easily catch, and will have a more severe effect on them.

There are also those who cannot take vaccines because of allergies who will suffer.

It's why idiots who push anti-vax propaganda are so dangerous. I remember getting blocked by Leon Knight on twitter years ago because he posted stats for deaths from measles and polio and asked why there were so few deaths if it was so dangerous. The answer "Because of vaccines you f***ing idiot" was apparently not what he was looking for.

I agree, although I think you have something wrong in the first sentence. I was implying the biggest problem is those who won't vaccinate (their kids) not those who are vaccinated. Something lost in translation

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I tried to get a covid vaccination this afternoon, because I am clearly brainwashed by the Illuminati elite, or whatever they call themselves these days, but I was turned away because I'm not over 75.

I can't become part of the conspiracy even when I try ffs.

Weirdos OUT.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Having had whooping cough as a child, I don't understand why any parent would increase their child's changes of catching this.

One of my most vivid memories as a child is head bowed down under a tea towel over a saucepan of bowling water, breathing in the steam.

It's no fun.

It may vary by ethnicity. This is HMG data for COVID (huge and shocking variation ): https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...les/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/vaccines

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And here from an NHS website, data on vaccination in general.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/south-east/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/05/Vaccination-and-race-religion-and-belief-A4.pdf

Clearly we need to target certain ethnic groups in particular to get this fixed.

 

[AstroSloth]

I agree, although I think you have something wrong in the first sentence. I was implying the biggest problem is those who won't vaccinate (their kids) not those who are vaccinated. Something lost in translation

Yeah sorry I meant "the biggest concern is for"

Rather than "the biggest concern is"

My bad.

 

[StonehamPark]

And here from an NHS website, data on vaccination in general.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/south-east/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/05/Vaccination-and-race-religion-and-belief-A4.pdf

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Clearly we need to target certain ethnic groups in particular to get this fixed.

Black folks have suffered decades of medical abuse, largely involving lies regarding awful medical trials disguised as 'vaccinations'.
I can't blame them societally or culturally for being incredibly careful and even sceptical regarding vaccinations.

I don't think the way Covid (including mandatory vaccinatons) was dealt with by governments helped at all either.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

"I've done my own research" is the best line of the last 10 years in my opinion

Never has a line made someone feel so righteous while simultaneously having the effect of making them look like such a PRAT.

Every time someone says that I just want to shout ‘show me your lit review, you f***ing bastard’.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Black folks have suffered decades of medical abuse, largely involving lies regarding awful medical trials disguised as 'vaccinations'.
I can't blame them societally or culturally for being incredibly careful and even sceptical regarding vaccinations.

I don't think the way Covid (including mandatory vaccinatons) was dealt with by governments helped at all either.

Indeed.

I'm interested in, but not concerned by the reasons unless they help inform a pathway to solutions.

 

[Machiavelli]

This is an actual message from someone I’m in a group chat with. The shots being the Covid vaccination. MSM means mainstream media (I had to look it up). This is a guy whose life hasn’t gone so well in recent years after being made redundant. I get how he’s fallen into this stuff, a feeling of purpose and belonging. The question is how do I get him to rethink things. Calling him an idiot is likely to just make him double down.

“We were "forced" into taking the shots by MSM media, TV doctors on the Pharma payrolls, and led to believe they were 100% safe. Turns out cancer is now skyrocketing, people have got heart defects. You will be told you weren't "forced' into having them but we were by stealth. It was one big scam to see how easily the population could be controlled. Maybe it was a test for something bigger?”

You're right, calling him an idiot is the worse thing to do. All you can do is to talk to him, listen, and indicate where you disagree with him. The more people outside of the virtual world that they trust that do this, the more he'll reflect on the veracity of what is circulating online.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You're right, calling him an idiot is the worse thing to do. All you can do is to talk to him, listen, and indicate where you disagree with him. The more people outside of the virtual world that they trust that do this, the more he'll reflect on the veracity of what is circulating online.

This is definitely a situation where one cannot just put people 'on ignore' if they won't vaccinate. Conversations are required. Not easy for the likes of me.

 

[dazzer6666]

Every time someone says that I just want to shout ‘show me your lit review, you f***ing bastard’.

‘….ooh, you’ve been published, can you send me a link, I’d love to read it’ works well too

 

[LamieRobertson]

The word ‘vaccines’ troubles me when used like this. Especially with ‘anti-vax’.

Because it makes it sound like they are all the same.

You can be unconvinced about certain vaccines while still being very pro others, surely?!

My kids are vaccinated against all the usual stuff, I’m very pro-vaccines. Was I going to give them the Covid vaccines that were a year old with no long-term data for a disease that didn’t really affect them? No f***ing chance.

Does that make me an anti-vaxxer?

With you all the way.

 

[raymondo]

During the Covid crisis I upgraded my knowledge about how vaccination and herd immunity works. Essentially vaccination makes the individual's immune system respond more quickly to infection. But if the virus or bacterium exposure is very high it could 'beat' the immune system in an individual.

Of course the more people in the population not vaccinated, the easier it is for the disease to spread in the population, increasing the exposure of the pathogen we all experience. Eventually if enough people fail to be vaccinated we reach a tipping point, and a pandemic may emerge.

Worryingly increasing numbers of kids are not getting routine vaccination. The problem is worst in London. This needs a serious up-step on education.

In addition, it concerns me that conscientious vaccinated folk run the risk of serious disease because ignorant and/or deluded parents are not getting their kids vaccinated. Perhaps we need laws to ensure that kids cannot attend state school if they are not vaccinated. Unfortunately the thickies will probably embrace home schooling. Much of this has been propagated by fake news websites and the arse who triggered the MMR/autism disaster.

Child vaccinations: Low uptake prompts tipping-point warning

There are concerns over the spread of diseases such as whooping cough in England, as vaccine rates fall.

www.bbc.co.uk

My niece's boyfriend (now ex) caught mumps a year ago, was very ill and hospitalized. He was 22. He'd never had MMR 'cos mum didn't believe in it '

 

[StonehamPark]

This is definitely a situation where one cannot just put people 'on ignore' if they won't vaccinate. Conversations are required. Not easy for the likes of me.

I think this was a really good comment to make, and I wish everyone held the same mature opinion and awareness.

In my view, there's been a history of vaccine injuries, distrust, societal division and of course, total blind ignorance and stubborness too.
I believe there's many reasons (both good and bad) as to why not everyone will do as instructed (or guided) and take the medicine/vaccines suggested (or perhaps, in recent times forced) by the Government or health organizations.

A personal example; I took the first 2 Covid vaccines due to the threat of losing my job (government employee) if the initial 2 doses were not taken by a certain time. I won't go into my thoughts and opinions on this, but they're not positive ones.
I have not, and will not take any further Covid vaccines for a variety of my own personal reasons.

However, I do take the annual Flu-Vaccine, and as recently as a month ago, I got a booster for diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough.
My children will also have the recommended vaccines and innoculations.
I am absolutely not against vaccination, I am generally for it. I think it's a pretty complex and personal issue.

 

[Dr Q]

I have noticed that there is a growing consensus for a general conspiracy theory, of which anti vaccination is a component part.

That and bloody chemtrails. Love winding those screaming nutters on SM.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Very pro vaccination , got the covid shots etc etc

But our own Government etc did serious damage by pretty much forcing people to have a covid vaccination, sacking people and excluding people from things.

You start forcing people, you get push back and distrust.

You had genuine people who had questions and worries (not the 5G folk) they were excluded and all called anti vax, when they just wanted more information.

Trying to force kids at one point to get it.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Every time someone says that I just want to shout ‘show me your lit review, you f***ing bastard’.

24 years later I still have nightmares.

‘….ooh, you’ve been published, can you send me a link, I’d love to read it’ works well too

Not a paper. I made the mistake of doing a Research masters (part time) which required 25k words dissertation, of which about 8k was lit review. You know it’s going to be bollocks when you get two lectures dedicated to,and I quote, ‘not ballsing up the lit review’.

 

[Blue3]

The blame lies to some degree when
Michael Gove touched a populist nerve. Leading up to Britain’s referendum on membership of the European Union, he delivered a soundbite that gained wide currency.

Gove, then Lord Chancellor, declared: “I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.”

This type of throw away comment being picked up during Covid is quickly used as proof to some that the experts saying get vaccinated save lives were the very experts telling the nation what’s best while getting it wrong Michael Gove was still in office never choose to correct he’s statement in light of hundreds of thousands not taking vaccinations

 

[Cotton Socks]

During the Covid crisis I upgraded my knowledge about how vaccination and herd immunity works. Essentially vaccination makes the individual's immune system respond more quickly to infection. But if the virus or bacterium exposure is very high it could 'beat' the immune system in an individual.

Of course the more people in the population not vaccinated, the easier it is for the disease to spread in the population, increasing the exposure of the pathogen we all experience. Eventually if enough people fail to be vaccinated we reach a tipping point, and a pandemic may emerge.

Worryingly increasing numbers of kids are not getting routine vaccination. The problem is worst in London. This needs a serious up-step on education.

In addition, it concerns me that conscientious vaccinated folk run the risk of serious disease because ignorant and/or deluded parents are not getting their kids vaccinated. Perhaps we need laws to ensure that kids cannot attend state school if they are not vaccinated. Unfortunately the thickies will probably embrace home schooling. Much of this has been propagated by fake news websites and the arse who triggered the MMR/autism disaster.

Child vaccinations: Low uptake prompts tipping-point warning

There are concerns over the spread of diseases such as whooping cough in England, as vaccine rates fall.

www.bbc.co.uk

Whoah there! What do you mean by vaccinations? Are you talking about the Covid vaccine or other vaccines? Both of my kids have had all their childhood vaccinations, the eldest one was vaccinated before the MMR thing came out, the youngest one was still vaccinated after the MMR thing came out.
Are you actually calling me a thicko for not being too keen for my youngest to have the Covid vaccine?
My eldest had it (as it was his choice) my youngest was (sort of) offered the choice. I wholeheartedly admit that I said to him I know nothing about the vaccine & would prefer him not to have it.

You know I'm somewhat anti 'big pharma' when it comes to possibly 'non medical' issues. I think I've probably mentioned to you that something I was told was 'safe-ish' at the time was actually not, they've admitted it, the PIL has been changed, the prescribing guidance has completely changed. I'm well within my rights to join the class action lawsuit & get some £'s out of it. I'm not as the damage has been done & joining it for money isn't going to change that. They've been prescribing it since the 60's and it's taken 40 years for them to realise that they had missed some potential side effects.

I'm not going to apologise for saying to my youngest that I know nothing about the Covid vaccine & he should perhaps basically let other people be the guinea pigs. I've been the guinea pig & it didn't turn out too well. As for the Covid LFT they're bloody useless. I had my eldest (who'd had the vaccine) & someone else sitting around my Xmas dinner table who'd both taken the test (they were completely unrelated to each other) as they felt that they may have Covid (they both looked & felt really shit), both tests were neg. One went for a PCR the next day and was positive, my eldest went the day after that and he was also positive.

I watched my best friends 11 year old daughter die from leukaemia 19 years ago, so I don't need lectures about those whose immune systems are compromised. I would give anything to see her again. Would I have gone to see her during Covid when everything was reopening again? Probably yes as the LFT's were telling me she would be fine. Actually that's crap, I knew she was dying & would've broken every rule to say goodbye to her anyway.

The only person I know that has had Covid 3 times is my eldest who's had the vaccines. I'm not saying there's a big conspiracy, it does however seen pretty useless as a 'vaccine' that's supposed to stop you getting it or even to stop you getting it as 'bad'. I don't want to be a guinea pig again, I don't want my kids to be a guinea pig. That doesn't make me a bad person, it makes me someone who's cautious. It may make me very selfish when I say... 'you can all go first' but that's what I think. I'm fully aware that I'm going to get pelters for my opinion. I'm not going to pretend that I've read 'loads of papers' on it, as I haven't read any. I don't listen to 'podcasts' or go down conspiracy theory rabbit holes. I have no reasons aside from the fact I don't feel comfortable with it. I've already admitted to being selfish & it would be pointless to say that I'm selfish, as I know I am about this!!

I'm going to watch the 2nd half now & will deal with the pelters I'm going to get in the morning but I really don't have anything to add. I've already written an essay!

 

[raymondo]

The blame lies to some degree when
Michael Gove touched a populist nerve. Leading up to Britain’s referendum on membership of the European Union, he delivered a soundbite that gained wide currency.

Gove, then Lord Chancellor, declared: “I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.”

This type of throw away comment being picked up during Covid is quickly used as proof to some that the experts saying get vaccinated save lives were the very experts telling the nation what’s best while getting it wrong Michael Gove was still in office never choose to correct he’s statement in light of hundreds of thousands not taking vaccinations

I would prefer to listen to qualified scientists than our politicians