[Football] United charged by FA after Dunk red

[dsr-burnley]

In the Was It A Red? thread, someone has posted a still of players from both sides surrounding the ref. United must have been more aggressive otherwise they wouldn't have been charged but let's be completely honest and admit that all teams do it, in all leagues.

Very easy to stamp out, I have no idea why it hasn't been by now.

There is so much that would be easy to stamp out, simply by taking it out of the referee's hands. Diving, surrounding the ref, feigning injury - let it be an automatic 1 match ban + 1 week's wages. An FA committee could do all that after each match.

And as a concussion protocol, every player who is unable to stand up after a bang on the head (real or pretend) has to be subbed and cannot play for 8 days.

 

[BBassic]

I've just read up on Jarred Gillet - he sounds a pretty impressive fella to be fair

Gillett is a 35-year-old Australian referee who is a bit of a prodigy in officiating circles. At 24, he was officiating in the A-League. At 27, he became a FIFA referee, taking charge of games throughout Asia. By the time he was 32, he had been named the A-League Referee of the Year five times. If he were a footballer, he'd be Erling Haaland.

Like Haaland, he wanted to further his career. Unlike Haaland, he couldn't just sign a contract with the Bundesliga or Premier League. Gillett got a post-doctoral research job to study cerebral palsy in children at John Moores University in Liverpool, got a visa and moved to England. It's the sort of thing you can do when you have Ph.D. in biomechanics like he has.

The PGMO were aware of this and, in fact, their head, Mike Riley, had been to see him in Australia. They were excited that one of the most promising referees in the world was moving to England, but they couldn't simply give him a job. Gillett had to go through the system, starting in League 2 in 2019 and working his way up through League 1 and the Championship to the Premier League this year. It's working out for him, but quite obviously, most referees don't have the advantages Gillett enjoyed to make this happen: native English speaker, officiating prodigy in his homeland, a Ph.D. that enabled him to move halfway around the world and the support of Riley and the PGMO.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/blog-ma...rscoachesexecutives-why-not-the-best-referees

 

[macbeth]

So Peter Bankes gave his first PL red card in this match, after an indecisive VAR decision beckoned him over and after being surrounded and intimidated by United players en-masse.

Then the FA effectively gave him a vote of no confidence by retrospectively charging the players that he couldn't control.

Doesn't look good on the CV.

Bit like the teacher settling a playground scuffle.

Embarrassing for him.

it actually isn't his first red, but that's an interesting point because his last red was in our game against sheffield united at home last season. again a similar scenario, gave a yellow because he's a p*** weak ref and then waited for var to bail him out

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

In the Was It A Red? thread, someone has posted a still of players from both sides surrounding the ref. United must have been more aggressive otherwise they wouldn't have been charged but let's be completely honest and admit that all teams do it, in all leagues.

Very easy to stamp out, I have no idea why it hasn't been by now.

It’s up to the refs to stamp it out with red cards

 

[monty uk]

In the Was It A Red? thread, someone has posted a still of players from both sides surrounding the ref. United must have been more aggressive otherwise they wouldn't have been charged but let's be completely honest and admit that all teams do it, in all leagues.

Very easy to stamp out, I have no idea why it hasn't been by now.

It's good for TV.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

But it will not, that's not the way the FA role. Have we done it? Yes, the Micky Adams team of Danny Cullip, Oatway, etc but we were a team of less ability than a lot of teams and needed to do something different to try and compete, bit like United really.


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Not sure we were anything like that TBH. They had half a team berating the ref.

Of course throwing water over the away teams dressing room prior to their arrival is acceptable

 

[sydney]

just watched the game again and now i'm ready to belt someone.....time for bed....:ffs: PISSING ABOUT AT THE BACK X2

 

[maltaseagull]

Surely this all starts with the referees assessors.

So if a ref gets surrounded and doesn't immediately apply the law and book the player the ref gets marked down. If the ref is worse and capitulates like last night he gets double marked down.

I suppose what i'm saying is that the infrastructure is there to reward and penalise refs for applying the laws, but they don't. I never understand.

It's a fair point but what happens if all the refs get poor marks?
Who would replace them.?

I think there should be an announcement made pre season as to what will not be tolerated and what the sanctions would be and ,unlike previous seasons, not abandon them by October.

 

[theboybilly]

Who?

Jarred Gillett - Australian referee promoted to the PL list in August 2021

 

[Bodian]

But it will not, that's not the way the FA role. Have we done it? Yes, the Micky Adams team of Danny Cullip, Oatway, etc but we were a team of less ability than a lot of teams and needed to do something different to try and compete, bit like United really.


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In the Was It A Red? thread, someone has posted a still of players from both sides surrounding the ref. United must have been more aggressive otherwise they wouldn't have been charged but let's be completely honest and admit that all teams do it, in all leagues.

Very easy to stamp out, I have no idea why it hasn't been by now.

Not sure we were anything like that TBH. They had half a team berating the ref.

Of course throwing water over the away teams dressing room prior to their arrival is acceptable

Half a team you say?? 9 (nine) of United's players - with just a few from our side. Nine out of eleven - quite incredible really.

 

[East London Exile]

For the FA to charge United I would think that there must have been something in the referee’s report. It is a shame that these never get made public to know whether it was intimidating.

In the circumstances where the referee is surrounded by a team the referees don’t make it easier for themselves as they generally just stand there facing them. The referee should turn his back on them and retreat ten yards or so. Any player following then is obviously taking intimidatory action and therefore be given a yellow card. If it means booking the whole team then so be it. Any player physically trying to stop the referee retreating gets a red card.

We won’t ever see this sort of punishment applied fully but it would stop the intimidation of the referee.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Half a team you say?? 9 (nine) of United's players - with just a few from our side. Nine out of eleven - quite incredible really.

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Terrible - thought I was exaggerating as well as doing it from memory rather pictures.

 

[Perfidious Albion]

I liked the way I saw a ref handle a belligerent player in the recent Africa Cup. He took a step back and went to hand him the whistle. Clearly he said to him “ Look, do you want to referee this game from now on then?” That defused the situation..
In the case of a mass protest I agree with post 71 above. He has a book…..use it

 

[Yoda]

I think the ref should start to walk off the pitch if players start surrounding them in protest like that. No ref, no game. Simples. Let him do his job otherwise you forfeit the match

 

[drew]

For the FA to charge United I would think that there must have been something in the referee’s report. It is a shame that these never get made public to know whether it was intimidating.

In the circumstances where the referee is surrounded by a team the referees don’t make it easier for themselves as they generally just stand there facing them. The referee should turn his back on them and retreat ten yards or so. Any player following then is obviously taking intimidatory action and therefore be given a yellow card. If it means booking the whole team then so be it. Any player physically trying to stop the referee retreating gets a red card.

We won’t ever see this sort of punishment applied fully but it would stop the intimidation of the referee.

Disagree. First player that get's in his face instantly show the yellow card. However, whilst the ref's can do this they don't.

 

[GT49er]

Well, you have to admit the FA have handled this beautifuly, United have until Minday to answer the charge, which has a crucial bearing on Dunk's red card - i.e. was the referee intimidated into changing the yellow to a red? OK, the FA will worry about that when the time comes.
In the meantime, get Dunk's appeal heard and rejected today (I was going to say considered rather than heard, but that would be a gross misuse of the word!)

The natural order is preserved. Phew! That's a relief, eh chaps.....................

 

[pasty]

Utd fined £20K. Absolute bargain for getting a player sent off. That'll learn 'em

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-fine-fa-brighton-23184734

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Utd fined £20K. Absolute bargain for getting a player sent off. That'll learn 'em

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-fine-fa-brighton-23184734

Look at that prick Ronaldo in that picture. And yet it’s Dunk that’s banned.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Utd fined £20K. Absolute bargain for getting a player sent off. That'll learn 'em

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-fine-fa-brighton-23184734

Wow - seeing as a red card will significantly increase your chances of getting the win, they could put themselves in the frame, for winning the title, for just £760k .

Bargain.

 

[Eric Youngs Contact Lens]

and if anyone saw McTommywotsit vs. Leeds, how he didn't see red for proper fouls was incredible.. I do think referees should be given the mandate to simply book anyone rushing them like they did in the Dunk incident. Literally, book everyone for jumping in.. it might make a game or two a farce but it would stop. It cannot be without influence or teams wouldn't do it.. In the picture, there are only 2 Utd. outfield players (I think!) who are not trying to influence the ref or purport to be "trying to calm the situation down". It is a cynical move - "if all of us do it, they can't book us all". would be good for the FA to call their bluff..