[Football] United charged by FA after Dunk red

[BadFish]

The problem is that the refs are too weak.

There have been initiatives to try to stop this behaviour such as free kicks advanced 10 metres if there is any dissent as in Rugby, but the refs bottled it and stopped doing it.

If they really want to stop this behaviour, you are right. Yellow to every one of the players around the ref except the captain.
If they do it again in the match, second yellow and a red.
Also, if a player goes down and rolls around hurt, and gets treatment, he goes off to recover for 10 minutes.
(Unless as a result of a foul).
Feigning injury such as clutching their face when the contact was nowhere near that, 10 minutes sin bin.
And a week training with a Rugby team to find out what contact really means!

If we get VAR intruding into the game, as happened last night, when it was not 100% clear error, then why not use the citing process as is used in Rugby where a team can cite a player for foul play which the ref missed and it's reviewed and can sometimes result in several weeks ban?

Will never happen though.

Rant over

This was my thought too. I thought it was a yellow card offence to do this?

I can't help but wonder if the ref should be looked at too. If a ref is failing to uphold the laws of the game then surely there has to be a consequence for them too?

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[kevo]

This is the official who doesn't realise VAR is meant for spotting clear and obvious errors. Some Aussie I;d never heard of who has only just joined the Premier League list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarred_Gillett

 

[Papak]

Maybe we should repeal the Reds

Fixed your post.

 

[maltaseagull]

Difference between a rugby player and a baboon ?


The Baboon shows it's arse less

You should try that on joke de jour. It's pathetic.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Difference between a rugby player and a baboon ?


The Baboon shows it's arse less

Ooh that's good, that's very good.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

The problem is that the refs are too weak.

There have been initiatives to try to stop this behaviour such as free kicks advanced 10 metres if there is any dissent as in Rugby, but the refs bottled it and stopped doing it.

If they really want to stop this behaviour, you are right. Yellow to every one of the players around the ref except the captain.
If they do it again in the match, second yellow and a red.
Also, if a player goes down and rolls around hurt, and gets treatment, he goes off to recover for 10 minutes.
(Unless as a result of a foul).
Feigning injury such as clutching their face when the contact was nowhere near that, 10 minutes sin bin.
And a week training with a Rugby team to find out what contact really means!

If we get VAR intruding into the game, as happened last night, when it was not 100% clear error, then why not use the citing process as is used in Rugby where a team can cite a player for foul play which the ref missed and it's reviewed and can sometimes result in several weeks ban?

Will never happen though.

Rant over

Surely this all starts with the referees assessors.

So if a ref gets surrounded and doesn't immediately apply the law and book the player the ref gets marked down. If the ref is worse and capitulates like last night he gets double marked down.

I suppose what i'm saying is that the infrastructure is there to reward and penalise refs for applying the laws, but they don't. I never understand.

 

[Albion my Albion]

This was my thought too. I thought it was a yellow card offence to do this?

I can't help but wonder if the ref should be looked at too. If a ref is failing to uphold the laws of the game then surely there has to be a consequence for them too?

The NFL definitely evaluates all it's officials and if you want to be a referee in a play off game or Super Bowl and make better money then you better do a very good job during the regular season.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Interesting article in The Athletic today saying Southampton seem to very regularly have players needing the physio between 60 and 70 minutes in matches. Then all the other Saints players go straight over to the dug outs to get gels and listen to the coaches advice. Pretty much impossible to prove anything unless they put a poster up in the changing room telling the players to do it but this suggestion would be ideal, even if the player is out of the match for just 5 minutes it would cut it all down.

Whilst its difficult to prove its easy to control - just players its not allowed and the 4th official can just police it....

 

[Pavilionaire]

Man Utd have been doing this for decades and getting away with it. When you think of Roy Keane - one of the most gifted footballers of his generation - you don't think of great goals, great tackles or rampaging runs. You think of him snarling and shouting in the face of whichever referee happened to be doing their game that week.

 

[jessiejames]

It's not just Man U, we are just to nice. What most games as soon as HT is blown for players walk off with the ref having a go about something. What I Want to see is our captain whoever it is also listening in to see what's said to the ref.

 

[Milano]

It's not just Man U, we are just to nice. What most games as soon as HT is blown for players walk off with the ref having a go about something. What I Want to see is our captain whoever it is also listening in to see what's said to the ref.

This. Where were our players when Shaw pulled Lamptey back whilst on a yellow? Nowhere. The only player of ours that I ever notice ‘having a word’ is Lallana.

 

[sydney]

Maybe we should appeal the Red

surely it's the next logical step , it won't get us any points but it will save Lewis a ban .....not our style though is it.

 

[sydney]

This is the official who doesn't realise VAR is meant for spotting clear and obvious errors. Some Aussie I;d never heard of who has only just joined the Premier League list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarred_Gillett

oh gawd , that's where he is , is that the guy who refereed the A-League cup final whilst being the son in law of one of the participating clubs chairmen ?....Brisbane i think from memory....ffs

 

[pure_white]

Albion need to appeal against the red card. Manure are a disgrace. I hope our fans remind them when they come to Amex. Im sure they'll fill the away end. Short trip down A23 from Surrey. Hopefully the media wont call it another M23 Derby. I f****** hate Moan United.

 

[monty uk]

So Peter Bankes gave his first PL red card in this match, after an indecisive VAR decision beckoned him over and after being surrounded and intimidated by United players en-masse.

Then the FA effectively gave him a vote of no confidence by retrospectively charging the players that he couldn't control.

Doesn't look good on the CV.

Bit like the teacher settling a playground scuffle.

Embarrassing for him.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

The red card should be automatically overturned once Man U found guilty of failing to control their players

Of course it should.

The inclination through the charge is that the ref was unduly pressured, therefore his mind was already swayed before reviewing the decision.

 

[bobbysmith01]

Of course it should.

The inclination through the charge is that the ref was unduly pressured, therefore his mind was already swayed before reviewing the decision.

But it will not, that's not the way the FA role. Have we done it? Yes, the Micky Adams team of Danny Cullip, Oatway, etc but we were a team of less ability than a lot of teams and needed to do something different to try and compete, bit like United really.


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[SAC]

In the Was It A Red? thread, someone has posted a still of players from both sides surrounding the ref. United must have been more aggressive otherwise they wouldn't have been charged but let's be completely honest and admit that all teams do it, in all leagues.

Very easy to stamp out, I have no idea why it hasn't been by now.

 

[dsr-burnley]

This was my thought too. I thought it was a yellow card offence to do this?

I can't help but wonder if the ref should be looked at too. If a ref is failing to uphold the laws of the game then surely there has to be a consequence for them too?

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There would be more of a consequence if the ref did uphold the laws. What might happen to a ref who booked five Liverpool players at once, resulting in two of them being sent off? At the FA hearing when the referee says I was only enforcing the rules, and Jurgen Klopp says he was ruining the game, who would the FA support?

Answer - they would nominally back up the referee in the weakest possible terms, and they would not give him any more top games ever. The other refs would get the message.

 

[Dr Q]

Should take a leaf out of Rugby and only let the captain speak to the Ref. However, with these overpaid prima donna's earning more money in a couple of minutes compared to the refs monthly wage, the arrogant to55ers are never gonna respect them.
Also, red card any player that wags finger at the ref, does a praying motion or draws a var tv.