under 18 smokers

[British Bulldog]

But there is no such thing as a perfect child BB, well maybe but that'd be boring! What annoys me in the context of this thread is that when I'm in Somerfields or the corner shop or whatever, and the sales clerk says can I have your ID - I am eternally angered by what these "young people" think that its ok to say if they realise they've been rumbled. The language and downright rude behaviour is appalling!

What sort of manners are those? how is that respectful to someone who is just doing their job? Thats my beef...

I agree with you on the rudeness tede because there's been many a time when i've heard it myself and felt like giving the teenager concerned a backhander across the mouth, But it does'nt all go down to how the parents have raised they're child because i've known kids from very good backgrounds who have grown up into right little shits. On the subject of rudeness I've noticed how quick people are to jump on teenagers for being rude but there's never a mention of pensioners who can be equaly as rude when really they are of an age when they should know better.

 

[tedebear]

I agree with you on the rudeness tede because there's been many a time when i've heard it myself and felt like giving the teenager concerned a backhander across the mouth, But it does'nt all go down to how the parents have raised they're child because i've known kids from very good backgrounds who have grown up into right little shits. On the subject of rudeness I've noticed how quick people are to jump on teenagers for being rude but there's never a mention of pensioners who can be equaly as rude when really they are of an age when they should know better.

True there are some right cantankerous oldies in motorised pope-mobiles around here!!

I do think that alot of it is to do with the parenting though...but again there are exceptions - I'd just like to see more kids with manners - like the fat slob of a teenager(?) on the train back from Durrington yesterday - train was packed and he had a whole table and 4 seats taken with his bags and jacket and art folio and was playing his mobile phone music rather loudly. When asked by the conductor if he wouldn't mind putting some of his stuff up top to give someone else the seats he simply said "I've got a ticket"....where does that come from?

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

QUOTE=tedebear;2158507]The sooner 17 year olds learn some respect for the law and society the better in my mind. They can't stomp about pouting until they get their way, shouting at saleclerks in corner stores or hanging about generally causing a nusciance....all a result of odd parenting!

If they have to make it law to get some respect then I'm all for it![/QUOTE]



Totally agree..... if I had my way I'd ban fags to anyone under the age of 60!!!

Seriously, the UK is different where cigarette are almost de rigeur but here in Turkey we are desperate for laws against smoking...... here no one gives a damn about the rights of non-smokers. I have to fight everytime we go out to eat with my little daughter because unless I make a fuss no one will give a damn that my 17 month-old is passively smoking. I'm becoming very agresssive.....

 

[British Bulldog]

True there are some right cantankerous oldies in motorised pope-mobiles around here!!

I do think that alot of it is to do with the parenting though...but again there are exceptions - I'd just like to see more kids with manners - like the fat slob of a teenager(?) on the train back from Durrington yesterday - train was packed and he had a whole table and 4 seats taken with his bags and jacket and art folio and was playing his mobile phone music rather loudly. When asked by the conductor if he wouldn't mind putting some of his stuff up top to give someone else the seats he simply said "I've got a ticket"....where does that come from?

Sounds like a typical teenager to me tede but at least he never swore at the conductor like i've seen many so called adult's doing. I think you may be in for a few shocks when little arthur becomes a teenager because it really is like kevin & Perry, They just change overnight and become people you just dont understand anymore and you find you end up questioning yourself as to how you managed to bring them up to be like that.

 

[tedebear]

Sounds like a typical teenager to me tede but at least he never swore at the conductor like i've seen many so called adult's doing. I think you may be in for a few shocks when little arthur becomes a teenager because it really is like kevin & Perry, They just change overnight and become people you just dont understand anymore and you find you end up questioning yourself as to how you managed to bring them up to be like that.

I'm sure he will. But its how we deal with those issues that arise which is the crux of the matter...I don't see how many parents can be dealing with issues given what some kids are getting up to around here. Furthermore sometimes I think parents don't even know where there kids are to be able to deal with whats going on - example being the horrible murder in the Lancing caravan park recently...

But I digress - you can certainly teach your kids good manners and respect, and given how some kids react when they are refused booze or fags then I don't think some parents are teaching it (or they don't have manners or respect themselves!)

 

[chez]

This is an absolutley outragous decision. They were talking about it when I was managing off licences and we didnt really take it seriously because of how stupid this law is. Seems like they are bringing it in though, will it go down as the most outragous law in modern times.

Take the scenario where a 17 year old has been legally smoking for a year and is rightly or wrongly but certainly lawfully addicted to nicotine. What right should anyone have to say "I dont care about your addiction (illness), we are now making it illegal for you to carry on smoking".

I personally think it is well out of order.

 

[Normal Rob]

This is an absolutley outragous decision. They were talking about it when I was managing off licences and we didnt really take it seriously because of how stupid this law is. Seems like they are bringing it in though, will it go down as the most outragous law in modern times.

Take the scenario where a 17 year old has been legally smoking for a year and is rightly or wrongly but certainly lawfully addicted to nicotine. What right should anyone have to say "I dont care about your addiction (illness), we are now making it illegal for you to carry on smoking".

I personally think it is well out of order.

f*** 'em

 

[tedebear]

This is an absolutley outragous decision. They were talking about it when I was managing off licences and we didnt really take it seriously because of how stupid this law is. Seems like they are bringing it in though, will it go down as the most outragous law in modern times.

Take the scenario where a 17 year old has been legally smoking for a year and is rightly or wrongly but certainly lawfully addicted to nicotine. What right should anyone have to say "I dont care about your addiction (illness), we are now making it illegal for you to carry on smoking".

I personally think it is well out of order.

Its not illegal for them to smoke - its illegal to sell cigarettes to them?

 

[RM-Taylor]

I'm 17, but don't smoke, most of my mates do and they will carry on whether or not permitted to purchase from a shop.

The matter of fact is that anyone can get cigarettes from anywhere, that's why people get so addicted so young.

But by raising the age of purchase to 18, this is just going to make the illegal supply rocket and you will see more dodgy fags around then ever before.

All nonscence in my opinion.

Don't even start me on the attempt to raise the driving age

 

[RM-Taylor]

This can only be a good thing, especially for people like me who buy underage kids stuff in exchange for a fag/beer/go on their girlfriend.

 

[Mrs Coach]

At the Tesco's at the top of the road, I saw a mother go in with teenage son and his girlfriend the other evening, the son pointed out what drink and fags he wanted and then left the shop with the girl. The mother did 'her' shopping and the desk clerk (who had watched all this) said "sorry, I'm not happy about serving you because I think it's for those teenagers outside"
Scabby mother made a fuss and the supervisor appeared who accepted the womans word for it that it was all for her and served her!
Sigh..... what's the point?!!!

 

[Cian]

At the Tesco's at the top of the road, I saw a mother go in with teenage son and his girlfriend the other evening, the son pointed out what drink and fags he wanted and then left the shop with the girl. The mother did 'her' shopping and the desk clerk (who had watched all this) said "sorry, I'm not happy about serving you because I think it's for those teenagers outside"
Scabby mother made a fuss and the supervisor appeared who accepted the womans word for it that it was all for her and served her!
Sigh..... what's the point?!!!

Are you not allowed buy alcohol for your own children? You are here but they have to drink it at home and only your own children but I believe the UK is laxer.

 

[Mrs Coach]

And I'm saddened by the number of kids coming out of PCS (where my daughter is now) and lighting up by the Meridian Centre. I had hoped it would become less trendy as my kids grew up, but it seems to have had a bit of a resurgence - if I ever catch my kids smoking, they'd be for the high jump!

 

[Mrs Coach]

Are you not allowed buy alcohol for your own children? You are here but they have to drink it at home and only your own children but I believe the UK is laxer.

You cant buy alcohol for under 18's over here - whether they're your children or not. If someone choose to buy it for themself and gave it to under 18's in their own house, they could be investigated by soc. serve I would imagine!

 

[Cian]

You cant buy alcohol for under 18's over here - whether they're your children or not. If someone choose to buy it for themself and gave it to under 18's in their own house, they could be investigated by soc. serve I would imagine!

I KNOW for a fact that u18's are allowed buy alcohol for themselves in certain circumstances in the UK (restuarant, large meal), Wikipedia has this:

"The legal age to purchase alcohol is 18. People aged 16 and 17, with the licensee's permission, may consume wine, beer or cider with a table meal in specific areas of the premises, providing they're with an adult and the adult orders it. The legal age for the purchase of liqueur chocolates is 16. The legal age for drinking in one's home is 5 provided parental consent is given. Children under 5 must not be given alcohol unless for medical or religious reasons."

 

[newhaven seagull 85]

I KNOW for a fact that u18's are allowed buy alcohol for themselves in certain circumstances in the UK (restuarant, large meal),

i must disagree with you ,under no circumstances are under 18 year olds allowed to purchase alcohol .

 

[Goodfella]

It wont make the slightest bit of difference, as most under age kids are buying their fags from the kebab shops in brighton for £3-50 a pack anyway.

 

[newhaven seagull 85]

At the Tesco's at the top of the road, I saw a mother go in with teenage son and his girlfriend the other evening, the son pointed out what drink and fags he wanted and then left the shop with the girl. The mother did 'her' shopping and the desk clerk (who had watched all this) said "sorry, I'm not happy about serving you because I think it's for those teenagers outside"
Scabby mother made a fuss and the supervisor appeared who accepted the womans word for it that it was all for her and served her!
Sigh..... what's the point?!!!

i would complain directly to tesco , they have had their license suspended at other stores for upto 3 months , i'm sure they would not want this to happen .

 

[Freddie Goodwin.]

Maybe some youngster would like to explain why so many of them smoke now anyway?

The dangers of smoking have been known for years (not like with previous generations) and yet, with all the health information, these bright young things choose to smoke.

Apart from the health dangers, and the cost, don't they realise that they STINK? Don't they realise how awful it is to kiss a smoker (I know!) and don't they ever look at those smelly old people who reek of smoke and are constantly coughing their guts up and think that that's where they are heading?

Don't wamt to sound too superior but, when I come across a smoker then I see somebody with seriously flawed judgement.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I'm 17, but don't smoke, most of my mates do and they will carry on whether or not permitted to purchase from a shop.

The matter of fact is that anyone can get cigarettes from anywhere, that's why people get so addicted so young.

But by raising the age of purchase to 18, this is just going to make the illegal supply rocket and you will see more dodgy fags around then ever before.

All nonscence in my opinion.

Don't even start me on the attempt to raise the driving age

Tough Sh*t