Unchain The Brighton Motorist

[Herr Tubthumper]

I'm guessing you're under 60, in reasonable health and childless.

I have no issue with people using cars when necessary but I do believe a lot of trips are totally avoidable.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Obviously but I do feel a significant number of people use cars out of pure laziness. I knew people who regulatory used their car for 1-2 mile trips to supermarkets. That's lazy.

The other day I was trying to clear some bushes and trees in the garden - The Secateurs broke half an hour into the job, I nipped round to my local convenience store they were right out of Secateurs as they hadn't had a delivery this week so I had to go to a DIY store 1.5 miles away. I rushed back home - do I dig the bike out put on my cycling stuff and cycle there and back in an hour and a half or get the bus down to Secateurs R Us in North Laines and have a coffee and tofu bagel? Probably the rest of the day

Nah lazy barstard me I drove to the DIY store there and back in 10 mins and toiled in the garden the rest of the day.

Surely if you have a weeks shopping even if the supermarket is 1 mile away you have to take the car and on the other hand sometimes in order to get things done you need to take the car?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Surely if you have a weeks shopping even if the supermarket is 1 mile away you have to take the car

Does everyone need to do a week's shopping? I just buy food as and when I need it on the way home from work. Never done a week's shopping in my life.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I had to go to a DIY store 1.5 miles away. I rushed back home - do I dig the bike out put on my cycling stuff and cycle there and back in an hour and a half

If it takes you an hour and a half to cycle just 3 miles may I suggest you ditch the car more often and get yourself a bit fitter?

 

[happypig]

The Simple(ish) answer if you want cars to stay out of the town is to set up park and rides so you convert :

Roedean pitch and putt
The Green up the middle of the Avenue
Withdean Park
some of Hove Park

into car parks, charge £3 a day and run a non-stop free bus service to the town centre.

Maybe this was in jest, but if not, how can turning 4 pieces of greenland into a concrete parking area with the sole purpose of keeping cars out of a city centre be a good idea?

I picked them because they are large open areas in the right(ish) places. There are obviously better altrnatives than using green land butthe principle is the same - provide cheap car parks with fast, regular buses into the city centre and many people, me included, would be likely to use them. However, that costs a lot of money, more than can be raised even by rooking tourists £20 a day to park on the seafront.

No-one has 'unilaterally declared war on cars'.

It certainly feels that way to an outsider and from speaking to friends who still live there.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Does everyone need to do a week's shopping? I just buy food as and when I need it on the way home from work. Never done a week's shopping in my life.

Nice to have the time to go shopping every day after work, we have our weekly shopping delivered though, it saves hours.

 

[£1.99]

The other day I was trying to clear some bushes and trees in the garden - The Secateurs broke half an hour into the job, I nipped round to my local convenience store they were right out of Secateurs as they hadn't had a delivery this week so I had to go to a DIY store 1.5 miles away. I rushed back home - do I dig the bike out put on my cycling stuff and cycle there and back in an hour and a half or get the bus down to Secateurs R Us in North Laines and have a coffee and tofu bagel? Probably the rest of the day

Nah lazy barstard me I drove to the DIY store there and back in 10 mins and toiled in the garden the rest of the day.


Surely if you have a weeks shopping even if the supermarket is 1 mile away you have to take the car and on the other hand sometimes in order to get things done you need to take the car?

Why do you need to put on cycling stuff? just ride it.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Does everyone need to do a week's shopping? I just buy food as and when I need it on the way home from work. Never done a week's shopping in my life.

Some peoples lives are more complicated than yours HT - I know dads that travel 200 miles every weekend to see their kids - without a car they wouldn't/couldn't do it.

Some people work all week have to care for family across town, do two jobs and have no disposable income.

 

[Guinness Boy]

No-one has 'unilaterally declared war on cars'. It's a phrase used by people who have convinced themselves that this is what the Council intends to do, without realisingn

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The Greens have declared war on cars the way UKIP has declared war on Romanians. In public they'll never actually say it. In private it's all they're on about. Except Sven Rufus who's too busy buying everyone else's booze, writing about pink bikes and being a self employed union member.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

If it takes you an hour and a half to cycle just 3 miles may I suggest you ditch the car more often and get yourself a bit fitter?

I'll race you to the top of the beacon any day! I was allowing 30 mins to find and buy the things !

 

[c0lz]

As a ex shop keeper selling furniture and white goods etc who had a few shops around the Brighton and hove area's , A lot of my trade was from cars who would normally only be passing though without them i would not have existed. many customers would also collect their goods in person like a small fridge, microwave, etc, because of the parking restrictions it was a murder to load and unload these goods without getting parking tickets and finding a place to park our van when not needed was a nightmare.

 

[Husty]

The other day I was trying to clear some bushes and trees in the garden - The Secateurs broke half an hour into the job, I nipped round to my local convenience store they were right out of Secateurs as they hadn't had a delivery this week so I had to go to a DIY store 1.5 miles away. I rushed back home - do I dig the bike out put on my cycling stuff and cycle there and back in an hour and a half or get the bus down to Secateurs R Us in North Laines and have a coffee and tofu bagel? Probably the rest of the day

Nah lazy barstard me I drove to the DIY store there and back in 10 mins and toiled in the garden the rest of the day.

Surely if you have a weeks shopping even if the supermarket is 1 mile away you have to take the car and on the other hand sometimes in order to get things done you need to take the car?

This is like the leaving early at the Amex debate, rather than looking at the bigger picture (and in turn realising that what they're doing is ugly and harmful) people just invent excuse after excuse after excuse to carry on doing what is simplest and easiest no matter how selfish.

Your arguments on this thread are a complete and utter load of tosh. You seem to believe that tradesmen, deliveries to store and trips to specialty shopping stores are the ONLY trips that get made by car in Brighton? You're simply and plainly an idiot if you can't see that a huge number of car journeys are completely unnecessary and avoidable if people wanted them to be. Our city would be a cleaner, quieter and safer place with less cars on the road. Fact.

 

[BN9 BHA]

I'll race you to the top of the beacon any day! I was allowing 30 mins to find and buy the things !

20 minutes to queue up if buying from B&Q, ( my youngest son calls it buy and queue)

 

[worthingseagull123]

Agree, car free city centre would be brilliant.

Why?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Some peoples lives are more complicated than yours HT - I know dads that travel 200 miles every weekend to see their kids - without a car they wouldn't/couldn't do it.

Some people work all week have to care for family across town, do two jobs and have no disposable income.

Sure. But I simply do not believe every single one of the 36 million cars owned in the UK is needed by a 200 mile driving dad or a crosstown carer. I appreciate some need a car but I'm not convinced everyone does, or every journey is necessary. This is my point.

 

[worthingseagull123]

I have no issue with people using cars when necessary but I do believe a lot of trips are totally avoidable.

So you are the authority to decide whether a trip is avoidable or not?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This is like the leaving early at the Amex debate, rather than looking at the bigger picture (and in turn realising that what they're doing is ugly and harmful) people just invent excuse after excuse after excuse to carry on doing what is simplest and easiest no matter how selfish.

Your arguments on this thread are a complete and utter load of tosh. You seem to believe that tradesmen, deliveries to store and trips to specialty shopping stores are the ONLY trips that get made by car in Brighton? You're simply and plainly an idiot if you can't see that a huge number of car journeys are completely unnecessary and avoidable if people wanted them to be. Our city would be a cleaner, quieter and safer place with less cars on the road. Fact.

Well put. This.

 

[Husty]

So you are the authority to decide whether a trip is avoidable or not?

He doesn't seem like a bad candidate judging by his posting on this thread. It's really not very difficult, it's common sense.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So you are the authority to decide whether a trip is avoidable or not?

No. I just struggle to comprehend every car journey is necessary. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise. I'm all ears.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

This is like the leaving early at the Amex debate, rather than looking at the bigger picture (and in turn realising that what they're doing is ugly and harmful) people just invent excuse after excuse after excuse to carry on doing what is simplest and easiest no matter how selfish.

Your arguments on this thread are a complete and utter load of tosh. You seem to believe that tradesmen, deliveries to store and trips to specialty shopping stores are the ONLY trips that get made by car in Brighton? You're simply and plainly an idiot if you can't see that a huge number of car journeys are completely unnecessary and avoidable if people wanted them to be. Our city would be a cleaner, quieter and safer place with less cars on the road. Fact.

No not at all - There's probably loads of journeys that are unnecessary but how does a scorched earth policy on driving completely help anything?

You are missing the point too - they are not going to ban cars - they just will tax them to the hilt.

Banning the car is a bit like banning Christmas everyone hates the extremes of it but without it our economy would be F*****