UKIP are now a parliamentary party

[piersa]

£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

So what you are saying is that we burn £23.5million per day?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Great, I will put you down as an out with Plooks.

Little wonder UKIP are doing so well with the working class........they are more labour than labour.

They are political prostitutes - you can literally make UKIP into whatever you want them to be, and that is exactly what people are doing.

Half your posts appear well researched - but they only second guess on what a UKIP administration might do. Their politics are fluid, to suit the next headline or mood or fear they feel like exploiting. It's the politics of non-responsibility knowing that people aren't voting for a party they believe are going to be in power, they believe they are voting for a new ideology, a new politics - the genius of Farage is that he's hooking so many people in for so many different reasons. His challenge is keeping his representatives in check who can demonstrate just how far right, and back to the left their opinions can swing depending on what day you speak to them.

What we should start is a new thread where only UKIP supporters are allowed to post - no one else. It would be incredibly revealing just how wide spread the opinion on what they think UKIP are, what they represent, and what their policies actually are - it's already evident on this thread.

 

[Buzzer]

What we should start is a new thread where only UKIP supporters are allowed to post - no one else. It would be incredibly revealing just how wide spread the opinion on what they think UKIP are, what they represent, and what their policies actually are - it's already evident on this thread.

I think you could do that with any political party and their supporters. Many Labour voters say they will vote to protect the NHS from privatisation but the exponential expansion of the PFI under the Labour Government did far more to privatise the NHS and burden us for generations to come with billions upon billions of pounds taken straight from the NHS budget into private contractors. It was a con started by the Tories and carried on with so much more zeal than Labour. See also student loans, tuition fees...

I wonder what's so wrong with UKIP being a one-policy party. At least people know what they're voting for and if that's what they see as the most important thing to them then fair do's, I say. Is it any worse than saying you will vote Labour to protect the NHS, despite all the evidence proving that they're every bit as bad as the Tories in that respect?

 

[Soulman]

I think you could do that with any political party and their supporters. Many Labour voters say they will vote to protect the NHS from privatisation but the exponential expansion of the PFI under the Labour Government did far more to privatise the NHS and burden us for generations to come with billions upon billions of pounds taken straight from the NHS budget into private contractors. It was a con started by the Tories and carried on with so much more zeal than Labour. See also student loans, tuition fees...

I wonder what's so wrong with UKIP being a one-policy party. At least people know what they're voting for and if that's what they see as the most important thing to them then fair do's, I say. Is it any worse than saying you will vote Labour to protect the NHS, despite all the evidence proving that they're every bit as bad as the Tories in that respect?

True about Labour and hospitals, and schools for that matter, i worked on them. owned by construction companies and rented back on 30 year lease.
It might just be that UKIP have actually listened to the people and reflected the views in their policies.
To state as some do that UKIP would not stick to these policies, well how do they know, unlike Labour/Tories they have not had the chance to prove it was all spin and lies.
This firm built and paid for and LEASE back on a 30 year term( right down to the pencils and bog roll) schools Ifield, Maidenbower, Thomas Bennett, other schools under the same new Labour scheme countrywide. http://www.cnplus.co.uk/news/hbg-rebrands-as-bam/1768857.article#.VDuhFFcXOh0
The Royal Childrens Hospital in Brighton was built and paid for and LEASED back on a 30 year term, by a Japanese construction company.
Nice One eh

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Well the anti-kippers will be seething today ( as will the Greens probably ), UKIP have now been invited to the third televised debate ahead of the general election. Still, they've made no progress at all according to some.

 

[Buzzer]

To state as some do that UKIP would not stick to these policies, well how do they know, unlike Labour/Tories they have not had the chance to prove it was all spin and lies.

I agree with Bold Seagull that for most UKIP voters they're a single-policy party and people don't know nor care about their other policies because it's irrelevant IMO. They won't get into power, all they will do is influence the party in power on this one single issue and after the referendum, they will become obsolete and be a footnote in history as the SDP did before them. Saying all that, I don't trust Farage and his chancer cronies and as attractive as this one single policy is, I won't be voting for him.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I think you could do that with any political party and their supporters. Many Labour voters say they will vote to protect the NHS from privatisation but the exponential expansion of the PFI under the Labour Government did far more to privatise the NHS and burden us for generations to come with billions upon billions of pounds taken straight from the NHS budget into private contractors. It was a con started by the Tories and carried on with so much more zeal than Labour. See also student loans, tuition fees...

I wonder what's so wrong with UKIP being a one-policy party. At least people know what they're voting for and if that's what they see as the most important thing to them then fair do's, I say. Is it any worse than saying you will vote Labour to protect the NHS, despite all the evidence proving that they're every bit as bad as the Tories in that respect?

Yes exactly: you have highlighted the specifics of these policies shifts and you can do so because you, a non labour voter (assumed…) know what they stand for and when their actual policies differ in government from what might have been set out in a manifesto or through a general understanding of the party ideology. The same could be applied to this government where we could relatively quickly go through decisions in government that don't correspond to manifesto or policy pledges.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a one-policy party, but they've evolved way beyond that. What I'm interested in, or talking about above, is that so many people appear to be bringing to the table what UKIP is actually about (without UKIP doing anything) and it is starting to vary to the extent that you can say they are the party for the Labour voters who don't think the Labour Party are left enough, and for the Tory voters who don't think they are right enough. How are they achieving support for such a polarised ideology?

My point is, right now Farage is happy to ride this wave. He's now balancing a very fine act of not appearing left or right (even though his members do their best to trip him up). The other parties by countering UKIP with policy information, facts and figures (I've done it to….) are just fanning the flames because I don't think anyone supporting UKIP actually wants to know. I genuinely think that their impact on politics will be diluted once they actually spell out what they'd do in power - as you've pointed out, perhaps it's best that they don't

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

Cannae abide by UKIP at all. Maybe a citation is needed for this quote but I hear one of the voters in Clacton said something to the tune of "this guy's gonna do more than that Tory bloke ever did for me".

 

[sahel]

I may be over simplifying, but having just read the above manifesto claims, I'd be inclined to vote ukip as it all sounds very good, but only if it wasn't generated by fag packet maths.

Anyone can put together a rag bag of populist policies. What matters is people and values. So what are the fundamental values behind UKIP? God knows apart from fear of change and difference

And how about the people?

Farage - public school ex city trader
Hamilton - deputy chairman - no need to say anything
Carswell - public school ex city
Reckless - public school ex City
O'flynn - ex Express journalist (the Express for goodness sake)

main funders are hedgefund/insurance tycoons

Breaking the mould? I don't think so. People clever at manipulating people's fears and prejudices? Yes I think so

 

[Buzzer]

My point is, right now Farage is happy to ride this wave

I think he's getting delusions of grandeur. This idea that UKIP is breaking the mould of party politics just isn't credible when the vast majority of the hierarchy are either political journeymen with years and years of having their snouts in the trough or they're chancers who see UKIP as a fast-track to the same troughs. If he stuck to the issue of Europe and a referendum and campaigned solely on this then I might just (maybe...) be persuaded to vote for him but UKIP with a policy on crime, on the NHS, on transport......not a chance.

 

[Soulman]

I agree with Bold Seagull that for most UKIP voters they're a single-policy party and people don't know nor care about their other policies because it's irrelevant IMO. They won't get into power, all they will do is influence the party in power on this one single issue and after the referendum, they will become obsolete and be a footnote in history as the SDP did before them. Saying all that, I don't trust Farage and his chancer cronies and as attractive as this one single policy is, I won't be voting for him.

A bit of an assumption and perhaps a bit patronising that most UKIP voters see them as a single policy party, still i suppose if the media keep banging on about it, then it will stick. I think you need to give credit that people often look into what else is on offer so as not to look a tit when debating.

 

[Buzzer]

A bit of an assumption and perhaps a bit patronising that most UKIP voters see them as a single policy party, still i suppose if the media keep banging on about it, then it will stick. I think you need to give credit that people often look into what else is on offer so as not to look a tit when debating.

Fair point, I wasn't trying to patronise so apologies. I don't know too many UKIP voters but the ones I do know say they will be voting because of Europe and that covers EU and immigration and that UKIP is the only party that they think will be able to do something about that.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Well the anti-kippers will be seething today ( as will the Greens probably ), UKIP have now been invited to the third televised debate ahead of the general election. Still, they've made no progress at all according to some.

Utterly ridiculous to invite UKIP and not the Greens. I do not have a problem with Farage having his 15 minutes but to continue to exclude the Greens, a party with an MP who actually had to win a seat, polled more votes than the Lib Dems in the European elections and is consistently polling within a few points of the Lib Dems is outrageous. I suspect there maybe an online petition to sign soon.

 

[severnside gull]

They are political prostitutes - you can literally make UKIP into whatever you want them to be, and that is exactly what people are doing.

Half your posts appear well researched - but they only second guess on what a UKIP administration might do. Their politics are fluid, to suit the next headline or mood or fear they feel like exploiting. It's the politics of non-responsibility knowing that people aren't voting for a party they believe are going to be in power, they believe they are voting for a new ideology, a new politics - the genius of Farage is that he's hooking so many people in for so many different reasons. His challenge is keeping his representatives in check who can demonstrate just how far right, and back to the left their opinions can swing depending on what day you speak to them.

What we should start is a new thread where only UKIP supporters are allowed to post - no one else. It would be incredibly revealing just how wide spread the opinion on what they think UKIP are, what they represent, and what their policies actually are - it's already evident on this thread.

They are if nothing else "one-up" on the Monster Raving Looney Party

 

[Soulman]

Fair point, I wasn't trying to patronise so apologies. I don't know too many UKIP voters but the ones I do know say they will be voting because of Europe and that covers EU and immigration and that UKIP is the only party that they think will be able to do something about that.

No worries, i think you will find that because of the stigma that UKIP voters are only aware of the EU policy, that they have looked at others. I think the policies like the treatment of Vets etc has been welcomed as have the policies on looking after the UK for a change.
Who knows how well UKIP will do if by some miracle they get elected, but if you like/agree with their policies, and are not keen on the other parties policies....then why would you vote against them.

 

[yxee]

Anyone can put together a rag bag of populist policies. What matters is people and values. So what are the fundamental values behind UKIP? God knows apart from fear of change and difference

And how about the people?

Farage - public school ex city trader
Hamilton - deputy chairman - no need to say anything
Carswell - public school ex city
Reckless - public school ex City
O'flynn - ex Express journalist (the Express for goodness sake)

main funders are hedgefund/insurance tycoons

Breaking the mould? I don't think so. People clever at manipulating people's fears and prejudices? Yes I think so

Sound like a well educated bunch. And as for their fundamental values, just because you choose to be ignorant of them it doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[GT49er]

Nope I am not. But again you say we can't solve this problem staying in the eu, but where is the proof? I want proof before I decide in or out.

Have you ever had proof that whatever party you've voted for will keep its promises?

 

[Soulman]

Anyone can put together a rag bag of populist policies. What matters is people and values. So what are the fundamental values behind UKIP? God knows apart from fear of change and difference

And how about the people?

Farage - public school ex city trader
Hamilton - deputy chairman - no need to say anything
Carswell - public school ex city
Reckless - public school ex City
O'flynn - ex Express journalist (the Express for goodness sake)

main funders are hedgefund/insurance tycoons

Breaking the mould? I don't think so. People clever at manipulating people's fears and prejudices? Yes I think so

Take a look at the backgrounds of Cameron/Osborne, or Milliband/Balls....and Clegg/a.n. other, hardly the dream teams are they lol.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You could of just answered the question instead of correcting my grammar.

I wasn't intentionally correcting anyone's grammar. Didn't notice anything was wrong.

 

[GT49er]

You could of just answered the question instead of correcting my grammar.

What does 'could of' mean?