Ok then lets have a walkout for Dawn Butler , at least that would be relevant to the racial injustice epidemic in this country and perhaps our leaders would take notice .
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UK Sports Walkout
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Ok then lets have a walkout for Dawn Butler , at least that would be relevant to the racial injustice epidemic in this country and perhaps our leaders would take notice .
Tyrone Biggums
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I would think if he's got previous form and local they may. Not sure if this is the case in this situation.
If the car's registered in his name it would show up in a record check, outstanding warrants etc.
The worst thing you could do after you've been wrestling with officers is to march back to your car away from them with previous gun related issues and then reach into the car.
Tyrone Biggums
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How do they know he wasn't going back to the car get a gun?
Klaas
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Just shoot everyone, problem solved.
Baker lite
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Unbelievable...
Tyrone Biggums
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Could work. Let's give it a go.
They don't. BUT, they should be restrained and only shoot at the last minute - and it doesn't take SEVEN shots to disable someone. The UK police get some flak but one of their best qualities is the ability to handle armed situations without actually shooting the suspect. The American police could learn a thing or two from our police. In reality American police are just a bunch of armed thugs.
Klaas
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Tyrone? Yes, I agree.
Why would you shoot someone if you weren't sure that they had a gun?!? The police's response is at best, in this case, a trigger happy response to a potential crime that never happened. They literally tried to kill a man based on being unsure if he had a gun. He wasn't even directly involved in the disturbance that they were called out for.
The reality is that they didn't know he was going to get a gun. For whatever, perhaps obvious, reason they presumed he was. They were wrong and they shot him several times in the back. That as a stock response from the police is terrifying.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Tyrone Biggums
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You can't really compare UK to US. How many UK Cops are shot and killed each year?
Your armed officers don't deal with the same situations and people daily like their Police would in some areas.
Maybe they should have been more restrained fair enough, but we weren't there nor in their shoes as it was unfolding. All we have is a video that doesn't tell or show us everything else going on.
Baker lite
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Wonders will never cease... I agree with you, who would have thunk it.
Tyrone Biggums
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You would shoot if you knew their criminal history and their manner was erratic.
Neither of these things can be ascertained from the video.
Hopefully it comes out what was said, what was done before that moment occurred.
Lenny Rider
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It clearly works, I remember when PC Keith Blakelock had his head hacked off by a baying mob, the whole country stood in solidarity, Spurs refused to take the field the following Saturday and Margaret Thatcher vowed to bring the killers to justice, then Bobby Ewing stepped out of the shower and it all turned out to be a dream sequence to boost the ratings.
Seriously what is happening in the US shouldn't affect this country, we have our own problems and issues to address without piggybacking on to America's nightmare.
Seriously what is happening in the US shouldn't affect this country, we have our own problems and issues to address without piggybacking on to America's nightmare.
I have no idea how/why it equates to sport here, but in America they probably see it as a necessary payback for Colin Kaperick (sp)
Colin was the high profile NFL player who took to his knee during the national anthem.
This peaceful BLM protest was jumped upon by you know who, who politicised it and changed the narrative to 'anti America'.
Naturally screaming against that worked well within his voter base.
But having the President on their side gave the white owners and white NFL executive the power to stamp out the protest.
As well as stopping other sports joining in.
Scroll forward 4 years and the NFL are now saying they were wrong.
Players across all sports are 'allowed' to protest.
They now have the power and probably a little guilt for allowing the powers that be get away with it last time.
That's not going to happen now.
I put biggums on ignore some years ago after he backed the idea that to make countries like Australia and the UK safer, all good citizens should be armed, and that the absurd gun related death rate in the US would be lower if more of their good citizens were armed. I have no time for dick heads
This. Many of us who enjoy white privilege will simply never get what BLM is all about, hence the tired irritable whaboutery from the usual suspects on this thread (some of whom are decen't people who simply appear to lack imagination or empathy). I say that as someone who, as a 15 year old, considered the best solution to racism was to 'repatriate' all black people (whatever that means). And I was at a Grammar school so not obviously thick (but had never spoken to a black person - fancy that)
Regarding the OP's question (which, sorry Crodo, has a whiff of fishing about it), solutions for contexts. In America I can see this may have traction. Here I suspect it will be counter productive. Taking the knee is good though. It feels right.
Regarding people who actually think that some people take the knee for fear of ostracism, maybe that's the case. Likewise racists very regularly zip it rather than come out with their racist views, for fear of ostracism. I do raise an eyebrow about the fact some people feel footballers must be 'put upon' because they all take the knee. I can only assume this is because they are racists.
It will be interesting to see if a footballer bucks the trend anytime soon and doesn't take the knee. My guess is it will be a white one Has anyone mentioned 'white lives matter' yet?
What about 'enough is enough'? 
I think I understand that.
I'm not suggesting they don't, nor shouldn't protest, but I don't see the nature of the protest as being particularly plausible or sincere. It's not as if they are protesting against the NFL, NBA or any other body.
If they did something meaningful, with some obvious personal sacrifice, that would be the sort of protest that might resonate a bit more (with me anyway)
I put biggums on ignore some years ago after he backed the idea that to make countries like Australia and the UK safer, all good citizens should be armed, and that the absurd gun related death rate in the US would be lower if more of their good citizens were armed. I have no time for dick heads
It's all a bit devil's advocate for the fun of it - regardless of what you are actually arguing. I shouldn't get annoyed but the idea that police murdering their own citizens is justifiable in any case is just maddening.